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1 posted on 12/21/2012 3:25:39 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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This is gAyBC's sucker bait to get us to watch their attack on Christianity. Not biting.
2 posted on 12/21/2012 3:48:45 PM PST by aimhigh ( Guns do not kill people. Planned Parenthood kills people.)
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It is a dogma of establishment science that the tale of the biblical flood is a fairytale or, at most, an aggrandized tale of some local or regional flood. That, however, does not jibe with the facts of the historical record. The flood turns out to have been part and parcel of some larger, solar-system-wide calamity.

In particular, the seven days just prior to the flood are mentioned twice within a short space:

Gen. 7:4 "For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights;...

Gen. 7:10 "And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth."

These were seven days of intense light, generated by some major cosmic event within our system. The Old Testament contains one other reference to these seven days, i.e. Isaiah 30:26:

"...Moreover, the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days..."

Most interpret this as meaning cramming seven days worth of light into one day. That is wrong; the reference is to the seven days prior to the flood. The reference apparently got translated out of a language which doesn't use articles. It should read "as the light of THE seven days".

It turns out, that the bible claims that Methuselah died in the year of the flood. It may not say so directly, but the ages given in Genesis 5 along with the note that the flood began in the 600'th year of Noah's life (Genesis 7:11) add up that way:

Gen. 5:25 ->

"And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years and begat Lamech. And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters. And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years.

<i.e. he lived 969 - 187 = 782 years after Lamech's birth>

And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years and begat a son. And he called his name Noah...

<182 + 600 = 782 also...>

Thus we have Methusaleh dying in the year of the flood; seven days prior to the flood...

Louis Ginzburg's seven-volume "Legends of the Jews", the largest body of Midrashim ever translated into German and English to my knowledge, expands upon the laconic tales of the OT.

From Ginzburg's Legends of the Jews, Vol V, page 175:

...however, Lekah, Gen. 7.4) BR 3.6 (in the week of mourning for Methuselah, God caused the primordial light to shine).... God did not wish Methuselah to die at the same time as the sinners...

The reference is, again, to Gen. 7.4, which reads:

"For yet seven days, and I shall cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights..."

The note that "God did not wish Methusaleh to die at the same time as the sinners" indicates that Methusaleh died at pretty nearly precisely the beginning of the week prior to the flood. The week of "God causing the primordial lights to shine" was the week of intense light before the flood.

What the old books are actually telling us is that there was a stellar blowout of some sort either close to or within our own system at the time of the flood. The blowout was followed by seven days of intense light and radiation, and then the flood itself. Moreover, the signs of the impending disaster were obvious enough for at least one guy, Noah, to take extraordinary precautions.

The ancient (but historical) world knew a number of seven-day light festivals, Hanukkah, the Roman Saturnalia etc. Velikovsky claimed that all were ultimately derived from the memory of the seven days prior to the flood.

If this entire deal is a made-up story, then here is a case of the storyteller (isaiah) making extra work for himself with no possible benefit, the detail of the seven days of light being supposedly known amongst the population, and never included in the OT story directly.

Greek and Roman authors, particularly Hesiod and ovid, Chinese authors and others, note that small groups of men and animals survived the flood on high places and on anything which could float for a year. I do not see an essential contradiction between this and the biblical account. Noah's descendants were probably unaware of anybody else surviving and wrote the story that way.

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3 posted on 12/21/2012 4:04:08 PM PST by varmintman
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http://creation.com/Robert-Ballard-did-not-discover-Noahs-Flood

...Robert Ballard, the famous underwater archaeologist who discovered the sunken Titanic, is in the news again with his claim to have found evidence for Noah’s Flood in the Black Sea. This old claim has been resurrected by Christiane Amanpour in her two-part ABC News special, “Back to the Beginning”.

In 1999, using underwater robotic devices, Robert Ballard explored beneath the waters of the Black Sea for supporting evidence for a theory presented by geologists Ryan and Pitman...


6 posted on 12/21/2012 4:23:48 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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The Biblical flood was global not local and though Ballard has some interesting ideas he’s not describing Noah’s flood.


7 posted on 12/21/2012 4:27:32 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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The abrupt nature of Noah's Flood and the cataclysmic seas and weather that came with it suggest a single, dramatic, unexpected event instead of the gradual filling of the Black Sea like a bathtub as sea levels rose.

The stronger case is for Noah's Flood and other deluge stories describing an asteroid or comet impact 4,800 years ago in the Indian Ocean. Not only have the impact crater and geologic evidence of an associated tsunami been located, but a total solar eclipse at the same time as the flood indicates a precise date of May 10, 2807 B.C.

For further information:

Ancient Crash, Epic Wave

Did a Comet Cause the Great Flood?

14 posted on 12/21/2012 5:44:51 PM PST by Rockingham
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Apr 29, 2010

A group of explorers from Hong Kong and Turkey believe they’ve made a discovery of Biblical proportions. The group say they have found the remnants of Noah’s Ark, resting at 13,000 feet atop

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_wIKiOgk10


22 posted on 12/21/2012 10:55:54 PM PST by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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ABC? Amanpour? Not interested.


26 posted on 12/22/2012 12:02:28 PM PST by onedoug
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I’d heard about this many years ago. The fact that several religions have stories of a ‘great flood’ lends more credence to the idea that there must have been one somewhere in that area.


27 posted on 12/22/2012 3:03:18 PM PST by SuziQ
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Great links. Thanks .


35 posted on 12/23/2012 12:58:13 PM PST by esquirette ("Our hearts are restless until they find rest in Thee." ~ Augustine)
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