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To: CTrent1564
Well apparently the Council of Ephesus in 431AD disagrees with you

Then you'd have no problem with me treating her like any other mortal?

Stay on what I typed, please; and don't go dragging yet another red herring across the trail.

316 posted on 12/19/2012 12:09:19 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Elsie:

I am staying on what you typed, there was a second set of statements in your post, related to the question of who was it that Mary gave birth to. Your response was “No it was Not”

It is the statement that Mary is “mortal” that seems, in your view, to be an issue. Mary is a human being, just like anyone else, although tru God’s Grace, she is a visible example of what God’s Grace does to humanity, she is the model of Christian holiness, faith and virture.

Thus, for a Catholic and the Eastern Orthodox Church to refer to Mary as Most Holy Theotokos, etc, does not make her less human, in fact, it makes here More human, in the sense that she is a visible reflection of God’s Grace transforming human nature into Holiness [i.e., a Saint] and is what the goal of Christ’s incarnation, passion, death, resurrection and ascension into to heaven is, the infuse into us his Grace so that we come into full communion with the Trinity and we are transformed in holiness.

To the contrary, what the titles that the Catholic Church applies to Mary [Eastern Orthodox apply them to her as well] are rooted in Christology and all of them show what God’s Grace does to fallen humanity, it reconciles and resotres us back to our “True Humanity”, that is in full communion with Almighty God.

So, there is no red herring and the statement still stands, you reject the Council of Ephesus in 431AD and I fully embrace it. The theological positions stated at Ephesus “Do not align with yours” and since I accept the Decrees and canons of Ephesus as “Dogmatic definitions of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church”, your views differ from mine as well.

In the grand scheme of things, I would much rather my views align the Council of Ephesus than a “FR Protestant internet sola scriptura, sola meo, sola ego, bible scholar”


317 posted on 12/19/2012 1:06:48 PM PST by CTrent1564
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