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To: CynicalBear

You can look for the the divine in nature, if you like, in the mass we enter the presence of the Lord in the appearances of Bread and Wine.

As for the the rest, I am sure that you are offended by such language, because you don’t understand its meaning.We cast ourselves into Mary’s arms as a child might, seeking comfort, as Jesus himself must have when confronted by terrors beyond his human understanding. We do not think of Mary as high priest, but as mother. “Fountain of Faith.” But of course, and Jesus is the living waters who issues from her womb. “Lily of all holiness” a flowering of the grace that has made her the mother of Our Lord. Does Mary conquer dead? Yes, we will all the saints who rise at the end of time, except she is what the other saints will be, except more exaulted, because she has been closer to the Almighty than we. The Holy Spirit, the glory of the Lord, covered her like a cloud and in that moment the Word was made flesh. Her mission is to convert the world by bearing the son of God.

You know the marian dogmas are at bottom, meditations on the mystery of the Incarnation of God. Too many evangelicals take the First two chapters of Luke lightly, and the Virgin Birth no more than a “sign” of the divinity of the Jesus, and fail to consider the character of the woman who gave birth to Our Lord. A person, hardly more than a child, a daughter of Zion, in human terms among the less of humans, but at the same time, the greatest, most privileged of us all.


193 posted on 12/18/2012 2:34:59 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: RobbyS
Except that Jesus Himself says differently.

Luke 11:27-28 27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. 28 But he said, Nay rather, (Greek Menounge: nay surely, nay rather) blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

194 posted on 12/18/2012 2:42:50 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: RobbyS
Luke 1:12-15 12 And Zechariah was troubled when he saw him, and fear fell upon him. 13 But the angel said to him, “Do not be afraid, Zechariah, for your prayer has been heard, and your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you shall call his name John. 14 And you will have joy and gladness, and many will rejoice at his birth, 15 for he will be great before the Lord. And he must not drink wine or strong drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother's womb.

Matthew 11:11 Truly, I say to you, among those born of women there has arisen no one greater than John the Baptist. Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

Scripture and Jesus never says the things about Mary that it does about John the Baptist. If those things that the RCC claim are true about Mary and so important, I would fully expect them to be revealed in Scripture. But they aren't.

196 posted on 12/18/2012 2:44:27 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: RobbyS
...and fail to consider the character of the woman who gave birth to Our Lord.

We also fail to consider the character of the woman who is mentioned in the lineage of the Lord:

Matthew 1:5
...Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab ...

230 posted on 12/18/2012 7:20:49 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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