Okay, so if the Roman Catholic Church says that Protestant denominations that have a correct form of baptism, etc are now merely “separated brethren” and no longer “heretics” under Vatican II - so were they correct pre Vatican II or post Vatican II?
Did the RCC hear from God during the Inquisition(s)? If not, are they hearing from God now?
Don’t get me wrong, I am not Catholic bashing - this goes for all churches/denominations.
For that matter, it used to be a MORTAL SIN to receive Communion if you had eaten before. Then it went down to "an hour" before . . . then it went to you could have a McD Burrito on your breath while receiving Communion.
Then, it was a mortal sin to miss Mass on Sundays . . . then you could go to Mass on Saturday afternoons (especially good if you had an early Sunday t-time) . . . then . . .
Most Christian religions have become so secularized that they are NOT Christian anymore. The extremely lax attitude towards abortion (Thou Shall Not Kill) throughout Christianity has allowed people with "good" conscience to vote for someone like Obambastard who believes 100% in all abortions and the murder of "live" birth depending on the circumstances.
Seems like the only place of refuge for anyone who truly believe in Jesus Christ is a Bible-based, hell preaching, homosexuality condemning, Church . . . where ya' gonna' find that?
Catholic Church has caved in . . . Methodism can't quite find a firm opinion on the murder of 3,300 American babies DAILY (but they do fell strongly about gambling) . . . etc.
The only church I found that preaches what Jesus stands for is a little church in West Virginia called Left Fork Baptist Church where the preacher very loudly, and with a Bible in his hands, condemns everything that is kinda' OK in the pathetic suburban Christian churches. May God help us all!
We use separated brethren because it sounds nicer. We still believe Protestants are material heretics, although perhaps not formal ones, since they don't know any better. Incidentally, we Catholics believe they're all heretics - the Mormons, the Hindus, the Buddhists, etc. We believe we're the one True Church on Earth and if you don't believe in the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist, you're a material (although perhaps not formal) heretic. And if you're attending a church that you believe didn't get it right, then what the h-e-double toothpicks are you doing there?
As far as the Inquistion goes, human beings are not perfect and so we make and admit mistakes. But are Jews, Muslims, and Protestants heretics to us Catholics? Well, yeah, we just don't kill or torture them anymore.
I believe in one God,the Father almighty,maker of heaven and earth,of all things visible and invisible. I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation He came down from heaven, and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets. I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church. I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen
Post number 6 about catholicism to cover up the decline of protestatism in this thread. Odd that.
Really, it’s stunning. If you want a church that isn’t going to capitulate on this issue, you know where to go.
As far as I know, heresy doesn't affect a valid baptism, as long as the person baptising (or getting baptised) doesn't have a heresy about baptism per se.
As far as I know, the Catholic Church never proclaimed heretics' baptisms to be invalid, with the exception of such groups as the Mormons, who do not believe in the Trinity (and therefore their baptism itself is not in the Trinity as we know it.) In other words, most Christian heretics have valid baptisms. But their errors are still errors.
For example: the followers of the Arian heresy (4th century). Tens of thousands of them, heretical as heck, but their baptisms per se were never in question.
If I am wrong about this, please, knowledgeable people jump in and correct me. :o)
So you don't have a contradiction here. You're making a category mistake.
"Did the RCC hear from God during the Inquisition(s)? If not, are they hearing from God now?
Again as far as I know, Church Inquisitions (like the Roman Inquisition) have authority only over those who are ecclesiastical subjects of the Catholic Church, and had power to impose only ecclesiastical penalities, e.g. excommunication. This is in contrast to State inquisitions (like the Spanish Inquisition), which impose criminal penalties (like fines, imprisonment, capital punishment.)
If somebody isn't an ecclesiastical subject of the Church (such as, say, a Hindu) they are not under the jurisdiction of a church inquisition. You, for instance: I assume you are not a Catholic, and therefore the Inquisition ain't comin' after you. So no need to worry about being excommunicated, no matter how heretical you are :o)
Again, if I am mistaken, somebody correct me please.