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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Churches that change with the times aren't Churches at all.

For example, seeing as Jesus drank wine, I doubt Churches that banned alchohol when prohibition was a popular thing were hearing from God.

2 posted on 12/10/2012 9:32:52 AM PST by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Okay, so if the Roman Catholic Church says that Protestant denominations that have a correct form of baptism, etc are now merely “separated brethren” and no longer “heretics” under Vatican II - so were they correct pre Vatican II or post Vatican II?

Did the RCC hear from God during the Inquisition(s)? If not, are they hearing from God now?

Don’t get me wrong, I am not Catholic bashing - this goes for all churches/denominations.


6 posted on 12/10/2012 9:40:23 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
For example, seeing as Jesus drank wine, I doubt Churches that banned alchohol when prohibition was a popular thing were hearing from God.

People who use the “water into wine” excuse are simply being deceived by one verse of Scripture taken completely out of Biblical context.

There are two kinds of ‘wine’ in the Bible. Fermented and unfermented. Unfermented “wine” or grape juice is “Holy” or “clean” while fermented wine is “unholy” and “unclean.” All alcoholic beverages are unholy and unclean!

When the juice of the grape is still “in the cluster” God calls it “wine.” Grape juice still in the cluster is not ‘fermented’ wine, it is unfermented wine. It is grape juice.

Jesus neither drank nor created fermented wine.

14 posted on 12/10/2012 9:50:43 AM PST by Wasichu
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

You posted: Churches that change with the times aren’t Churches at all.
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I disagree with you on that. There are certainly bedrock principles and sacraments (communion, for example) that need to remain, but I suspect that few of us would feel comfortable with worship as practiced, for example, in Ephesus in the first century.


87 posted on 12/10/2012 12:00:13 PM PST by NCLaw441
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Jesus drank wine that is true but he was not a blind stinking drunk.

Some churches allow alcohol but do frown on being an alcoholic.

I have to believe some churches ban it all together because they have to deal with alcoholics and it is just easier for the members.


100 posted on 12/10/2012 12:25:36 PM PST by Morgana (Time to play cowboys and muslims.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

When I was a kid having to go to the local Baptist church, the “Sunday school teachers” were usually the local public school teachers. I got to see that witch at church too. (1960s) Today it is the same thing. The teachers are going to teach what they have to in the church to be PC.


108 posted on 12/10/2012 12:59:36 PM PST by timeflies
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