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To: Mrs. Don-o
Hence the painless and bloodless impregnation and partuition for Mary, most favored of women. She didn't have any of the curses consequent to sin. Great things were done for her by God her Savior. One of them was, she didn't have to be broken into, or broken out of.

If Jesus didn't have a natural birth, he didn't become human...If Jesus was created with Mary's supposed supernatural nature, Jesus couldn't have become a Man...If Jesus did not have a natural birth, then Jesus was not begotten...If there was no birthing process, Jesus was created, not born...

If Mary could not have been tempted to sin since she had no original sin in her, neither could Jesus be tempted...

92 posted on 12/10/2012 5:49:54 AM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: Iscool
Wow, you have an amazing number of mistaken beliefs.

If Jesus didn't have a natural birth, he didn't become human...

So people born by C-section aren't human?

If Jesus was created with Mary's supposed supernatural nature

Mary didn't have a supernatural nature, she has a human nature.

If Jesus did not have a natural birth, then Jesus was not begotten

Jesus, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, is eternally begotten by the Father from before the ages. Nothing that happened, or didn't happen, or could have happened in Bethlehem could have changed that.

If Mary could not have been tempted to sin since she had no original sin in her

There's no Catholic doctrine that says that Mary could not have been tempted to sin, sorry.

97 posted on 12/10/2012 6:04:18 AM PST by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Iscool; Campion
"If Jesus didn't have a natural birth, he didn't become human..."

Here your whole argument goes wrong, because your first premise is wrong. Christ was incarnate, became man, because of Mary being His natural mother. She was His genetic mother; she was His gestational mother; she was His birth-giving mother; she was His nursing mother. That's all natural.

The only part that was different from your birth and mine, was that his birth wasn't a grueling episode of blood and struggle, anguish and pain. And why? Because those were the curses consequent to the primordial sin of Adam and Eve. If Adam and Eve had never sinned, then Eve's childbirths would have been painless too. The pain in childbirth only came to human mothers marred by sin, i.e. all mothers, unless one be sinless.

"If Jesus was created with Mary's supposed supernatural nature, Jesus couldn't have become a Man..."

Mary didn't have a supernatural nature!!! She had a Plan A human nature, which is to say, human nature as it was originally intended to be, a nature in the original justice of Eden and the original innocense of Eve before sin marred her nature. Mary had a human nature full of grace.

"If Jesus did not have a natural birth, then Jesus was not begotten..."

He did have a natural birth, as natural birth was supposed to be: see above.

"If there was no birthing process, Jesus was created, not born..."

No, He was begotten, not made. His birthing process was a real birth -- in fact, a birth according to the original, Eden-grounded, pre-sin human nature -- involving no curse, no violence, no injury to the mother's body, no pain.

It's the Muslims who believe Jesus was created like Adam in the womb of Mary. Christians, on evidence of Scripture, say He was begotten, not made; and that Mary gave Him birth.

"If Mary could not have been tempted to sin since she had no original sin in her, neither could Jesus be tempted..."

False premise again. Nobody says Mary could not have been tempted. Mary (originally without sin) could have been tempted, just as Eve (originally without sin) was in fact tempted. But Eve succumbed to the temptation; Eve sinned; Mary didn't.

98 posted on 12/10/2012 6:31:18 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Point of correction.)
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