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To: metmom; boatbums; daniel1212
You can't pick and choose when vows are allowed to be broken or not allowed to be broken based on who the people involved are

Exactly. So Luther and his consort were not free to marry. They could, perhaps, seek dispensations and do it legally; they just didn't because they preferred fornication to propriety. This is your teacher: a jerk and a crook.

The Roman Catholic Church allows "annulments", do they not?

Yes -- if the marriage was imporperly conceived, but not in other cases. The Church allows proper dispensation from the monastic vows as well.

In the case of Martin Luther as well as his wife, they BOTH chose to annul their ordination vows and they have every right to do so - they are not slaves.

Luther may have gotten a dispensation from priestly duties but not from celibacy (as Danie11212 explained). His lover have not gotten any "annulment" -- this is why they snuck out in a fish barrel. Liars and crooks.

play judge and jury of a man who died five hundred years ago

He is an historical figure and his life is well researched. I do not judge his eternal damnation, but I can judge his acts. You should do the same.

419 posted on 12/11/2012 6:01:51 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex; boatbums; daniel1212
This is your teacher: a jerk and a crook.

Strong words for the Holy Spirit.

You might want to reconsider them.

421 posted on 12/11/2012 6:04:39 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: annalex
This is your teacher: a jerk and a crook.

BAd popes are in your lineage.


He is an historical figure and his life is well researched. I do not judge his eternal damnation, but I can judge his acts. You should do the same.

Good advice.

431 posted on 12/11/2012 6:14:54 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: annalex
His lover have not gotten any "annulment" -- this is why they snuck out in a fish barrel. Liars and crooks.

As said, you have increasingly marginalized yourself by either your ignorance or reading into the facts, while binding Luther to Rome and her unScriptural priests versus elders and requirement of clerical celibacy has no more validity than requiring a different itinerant Preacher to submit to those who did likewise, and thus also rejected Him. (Mk. 7:2-16; 11:28-33)

They did not seek release from Rome because sex was not their desire, but doctrine, and it was 2 years later that Luther met and took his wife, after working to return the nuns to their parents.

Meanwhile, one man believes that even if wrong,

Over the pope as the expression of the binding claim of ecclesiastical authority there still stands one's own conscience, which must be obeyed before all else, if necessary even against the requirement of ecclesiastical authority. Conscience confronts [the individual] with a supreme and ultimate tribunal, and one which in the last resort is beyond the claim of external social groups, even of the official church" (Pope Benedict XVI [then Archbishop Joseph Ratzinger], Commentary on the Documents of Vatican II, ed. Vorgrimler, 1968, on Gaudium et spes, part 1,chapter 1.)

442 posted on 12/11/2012 8:06:08 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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