To: daniel1212; metmom; boatbums; RnMomof7; BlueDragon; CynicalBear; editor-surveyor; mitch5501
Does presbyter or elder mean priest? "Elder" could mean anything. Douay uses it when there is a mixed company, for example, of priests and bishops (compare Acts 20:17 and Acts 20:28). The ignorant (or mendacious) author you cite might fantasize about it all day long. Protestants use it thorughout because their religion is based on denying anything suggesting Catholicity.
"πρεσβυτερος" in the Timothys and Titus means catholic priest.
"ιερευς" is, depending on context, Hebrew priest or Catholic priesthood in its derivation from Melchizedek, like in Hebrews. "αρχιερευς" is "Super-priest", Christ in Hebrews and chief Jewish priest otherwise.
"επισκοπος" is, if course bishop, that is a priest who is also overseer of other priests. In the early Church, there were more bishops than priests since churches were geographically dispersed.
409 posted on
12/11/2012 5:37:43 AM PST by
annalex
(fear them not)
To: annalex
"Elder" could mean anything.
417 posted on
12/11/2012 6:00:02 AM PST by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: annalex
"πρεσβυτερος" in the Timothys and Titus means catholic priest. SURE it does...
418 posted on
12/11/2012 6:00:29 AM PST by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: annalex
In the early Church, there were more bishops than priests since churches were geographically dispersed.Ain't it aMAZing how that worked out!!
1 Peter, 2:9
But you are not like that, for you are a chosen people. You are royal priests, a holy nation, Gods very own possession. As a result, you can show others the goodness of God, for he called you out of the darkness into his wonderful light.
Ephesians 4:11
It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers...
424 posted on
12/11/2012 6:07:58 AM PST by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: annalex
""πρεσβυτερος" in the Timothys and Titus means catholic priest." St. Paul himself was a celibate Catholic priest.
Peace be with you
447 posted on
12/11/2012 8:53:34 AM PST by
Natural Law
(Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
To: annalex; BlueDragon
No, a pastor can be called many things denoting his fiunction, but πρεσβυτερος" in the Timothys and Titus does Not refer to priest, except as part of the general priesthood of all believers, and nowhere as a separate sacerdotal priesthood. The Holy Spirit uses a word for those who are ordained as priests and formally called so, and nowhere are the NT pastors referred to as such, Those are the facts, and no amount of your tactical use of scorn will change it.
519 posted on
12/11/2012 5:06:17 PM PST by
daniel1212
(Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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