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To: boatbums
Jesus made her without sin -- did you miss that?

You bring up some convincing evidence, but I am still not sure about the belief.

That is ok! It is not always an easy belief to grasp! However, one should remember that it was by Jesus and for Jesus that Mary was created sinless. Without His grace, it would be impossible for such a thing to happen. Finally, it is important to say that Mary is not equal to Jesus in any way simply because she is without sin! Sometimes it comes off like that to people who do not understand the Catholic view of Mary. Jesus is without sin because He is God; Mary is without sin because Jesus made her so. Therefore, when we see the Immaculate Conception, we actually see Christ's perfection, His love, and His divine greatness!


20 posted on 12/07/2012 11:04:03 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
Jesus made her without sin -- did you miss that?

There's nothing to miss because it's not true...And Jesus is the only one who ever lived that was not tempted enough to sin...A cursory examination of the scriptures will show anyone that truth...

Just another fable put out by your religion to deceive people who are searching for Jesus...

But doesn't the Bible say in Romans 3:23 that, "…all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."

At first glance this "all have sinned" may appear to contradict a Catholic's belief in Mary's Immaculate Conception. However, on further examination, it is not an impossible verse to overcome.

Of course it appears to contradict Catholic belief because it DOES contradict Catholic belief...

For Catholics, Mary is seen as an exception to this passage, as are children under the age of reason, and mentally disabled people. With both of these examples, these groups are unable to sin because of their lack of reasoning. For example, a child who does not understand what sin is cannot sin, because the child is unaware of what is right and wrong. Now granted, a child who does not understand sin is not entirely like Mary, but it does show that there are exceptions to the "all have sinned" rule.

How low will you guys go??? This is not even a Catholic belief...This is a Protestant belief...Catholics teach that you must be baptized at birth...Without baptism at birth, you go to hell if you die...It has been that way for centuries...So now you are stealing Protestant theology to justify a sinless Mary...WoW...

What the Catholic wants to show is that there are exceptions to the rule. We understand that "all have sinned," but believe that Mary — and Jesus — are not included in this verse. The "all" in Romans 3:23 was translated from the Greek word pas. Like the usage of the word "all" today, it does not necessarily mean each and every person with no exceptions. For instance, in the same letter to the Romans (11:26), St. Paul says that "all Israel will be saved," and in Matthew 2:3 it says "all of Jerusalem" were troubled. Yet, were all of Israel going to be saved, or was each and every person in Jerusalem troubled? There are plenty of other examples like these found all throughout the Bible. The main point is that the word "all" had many different meanings in the Greek language, and that it does not rule out the possibility of exceptions in Romans 3:23.

Your religion's understanding is flawed, whether by deception or ignorance...

πᾶς
pas
pas
Including all the forms of declension; apparently a primary word; all, any, every, the whole: - all (manner of, means) alway (-s), any (one), X daily, + ever, every (one, way), as many as, + no (-thing), X throughly, whatsoever, whole, whosoever.

And this one's got to take the cake...

The fact remains that the words "Mary was without sin" are not found in the Bible. Why do Catholics continue to believe in it?

True, the words "Mary was without sin" cannot be found in the Bible. However, one will not find the direct wording of "Mary was with sin" either.

And the Bible does not say that Mary had the appearance of a Banana Split , or a Klingon...But could she have??? NO...Because God said we are made in the likeness of God, just as Jesus said ALL have sinned...

Quit perverting the Bible...

46 posted on 12/08/2012 7:02:53 AM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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