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The C of E [Church of England] Must 'Reflect the Values of the Nation'
The Way Out There ^ | 11/23/12 | Fr. Levi

Posted on 11/23/2012 6:07:24 PM PST by marshmallow

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1 posted on 11/23/2012 6:07:29 PM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

To paraphrase Michael Crichton, Consensus is politics, not science. With that in mind I would add... religion is closer to politics than science


2 posted on 11/23/2012 6:11:18 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: marshmallow

A Christian Church is supposed to represent the values of Christ.


3 posted on 11/23/2012 6:11:43 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: marshmallow

They have it exactly opposite. The world should reflect the values of the church.


4 posted on 11/23/2012 6:16:46 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Why is the government more concerned about protecting a microbe on Mars than an unborn baby here?)
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To: marshmallow
Christianity is a revealed religion. It comes from the top down, not the bottom up. The one task of the hierarchy of the Church is to pass that revelation down through the generations, so that it may be available to all.

It does not need to reflect the values of society. If it finds that it does not reflect the values of society, then it need to evangelize society, not cave in.

5 posted on 11/23/2012 6:17:55 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Take it one step further,
Islam will soon rule the day for the Christian church.

Fools.


6 posted on 11/23/2012 6:33:36 PM PST by himno hero (hadnuff)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

And the church the values of Christ, there is no other option or it is nothing but another social club. We left one liberal church (ELCA) for the Biblical Lutheran Church Missouri Synod and if it goes off the left end, I have no idea where we’d go. There is such a thing as Biblical truth and it does not change.


7 posted on 11/23/2012 6:44:20 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: marshmallow
I was curious, from reading the transcript, what a "Second Church Estates Commissioner" is. ChurchOfEngland.org states the position "exists to maintain the statutory accountability of the Church Commissioners to Parliament."

Can any Anglicans here help me understand to what extent the Church of England is accountable to Parliament and/or the monarchy? I have a difficult time understanding this because Christianity is countercultural by nature, isn't it? Are there penalties government can apply toward the church if government decides the church no longer reflects societal norms? If so, to whom in the church would such penalty be directed?

Please understand that I'm genuinely curious and not interested in starting a discussion critical of or disrespectful toward Anglicans. I simply don't understand to what extent church has to answer to government. This must be a heart wrenching time for some Anglicans!

8 posted on 11/23/2012 6:51:12 PM PST by PeevedPatriot ("A wise man's heart inclines him toward the right, but a fool's heart toward the left."--Eccl 10:2)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

You would be welcome with us stogy Southern Baptists.


9 posted on 11/23/2012 7:21:05 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Why is the government more concerned about protecting a microbe on Mars than an unborn baby here?)
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To: gorush

>> With that in mind I would add... religion is closer to politics than science

Because we all know the science of “Climate Change” is empirically apolitical.


10 posted on 11/23/2012 7:24:31 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: marshmallow

What ever happend to “Reflectin g the Values of God?”

Isn’t that what churches are supposed to do?


11 posted on 11/23/2012 7:25:50 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
You will find that Biblical truth here.



12 posted on 11/23/2012 7:27:59 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Gene Eric

There is no “science of “Climate Change””, only the politics of climate change.


13 posted on 11/23/2012 7:28:12 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: gorush

Well, if you’re going to qualify the term ‘science’, then why not ‘religion’?


14 posted on 11/23/2012 7:32:16 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Many former members of Episcopal churches have found a home in the Orthodox Church because in more than 2000 years it has never changed and it will not change ever because of the highly structured nature of its Liturgy.


15 posted on 11/23/2012 7:32:44 PM PST by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: PeevedPatriot

I don’t know the answer to your question but I do know that Queen Elizabeth is the Head of the Church.


16 posted on 11/23/2012 7:37:36 PM PST by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: Gene Eric

The theory is that science can’t be qualified, it aspires to the truth...even if only one person suspects it (The ancient Arab that deduced the diameter of the earth, Copernicus, Galileo, Einstein, etc.) Religion is by its very nature unprovable, and therefore political, whether you acknowledge many deities, one deity or none.


17 posted on 11/23/2012 7:39:47 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

I have a good friend who’s LCMS. If things goes liberal there, you’re welcome to come to my denomination, the Presbyterian Church in America(PCA). There’s also the WELS(Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod) and many independent Baptist and Bible churches that are Biblically orthodox and solid.


18 posted on 11/23/2012 8:00:30 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: marshmallow

“As a consequence of the decision by the General Synod, the Church of England no longer looks like a national Church; it simply looks like a sect, like any other sect. If it wishes to be a national Church that reflects the nation, it has to reflect the values of the nation.”

There’s something to be said about separation of church and state which means no state church not “protecting” the government from Christianity as the psycholib secularists keep trying to enforce on the rest of us.


19 posted on 11/23/2012 8:03:07 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: gorush

I’m talking about the terms not what the terms truly represent — elaborating on your post #13.


20 posted on 11/23/2012 8:05:17 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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