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"Give Me This Mountain": Finding Hidden Meaning in Scripture [New Church, Open]
Spirit and Life Bible Study ^ | Wed Nov 21, 2012 | Rev Dr Johnathon Rose

Posted on 11/22/2012 11:55:39 AM PST by DaveMSmith

Many people read the Bible literally and feel very strongly that there's nothing more to it than that, and yet Jesus Himself says the whole Old Testament is about Him. How could that be?!? We ponder this through a bizarre story in which Caleb pleads with Joshua to be given a mountain inhabited by enemy giants in fortified cities (Joshua 14).

Also see: Spirit And Life Bible Study on Facebook


TOPICS: History; Judaism; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: cults; liberal; newchurch; swedenborg
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To: metmom
What's this nonsense about the *FR welcome wagon*? Dave is hardly a noob.

Well Lassie; it sounds at bit like the MORMON victim mentality to me!

161 posted on 11/26/2012 5:23:13 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
...should Christians keep holy the Lord's Day?

THAT's the question???

I thought it was "...are Christians REQUIRED to keep..."

162 posted on 11/26/2012 5:24:31 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: jjotto
I DID 'look it up'!

All the religions of the world, other than Judaism, approach the idea of unity with the precept, “Believe as we believe, and the world will be one.” This approach has never worked. Judaism approaches unity from an entirely different perspective. It teaches that there are two paths, not just one.

One path is yours. The other one is mine. You travel yours and I will travel mine, and herein will be found true unity: the one God is found on both paths because the one God gave us both. The Noahide laws define the path that God gave to the non‑Jewish peoples of the world.


Thanks, but no thanks. I'll trust someONE else iff'n ya don't mind...


John 14:6

Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

163 posted on 11/26/2012 5:30:22 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
It’s just a sacred cow for many.

Where did I put my halo???



164 posted on 11/26/2012 5:31:53 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DaveMSmith
Yesterday's sermon was 'I WILL GUARD MY MOUTH'

THIS oughta be interesting!!!

165 posted on 11/26/2012 5:33:08 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
For instance, we are obliged to keep the laws from the Torah which forbid homosexual copulation; we needn't keep the laws forbidding wearing cloth made of linen and wool.


Genesis 13:13
Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and
their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men
from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them
."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.

 

Psalms 12:8      The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

Ain't this just FABULOUS??      More?

Isaiah 3:9   The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

2 Peter 2:13b  Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.


 

 

Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.



2 Peter 2

 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
 4.  For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,  putting them into gloomy dungeons  to be held for judgment;
 5.  if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
 6.  if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
 7.  and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
 8.  (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
 9.  if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
 10.  This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature  and despise authority.   Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
 11.  yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
 12.  But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
 13.  They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done.
Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.



But there IS hope!!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

 9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
     Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

 


If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...

166 posted on 11/26/2012 5:34:16 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
...nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
167 posted on 11/26/2012 5:36:36 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DaveMSmith

Jabber, jabber, jabber...


168 posted on 11/26/2012 5:37:22 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Your BELIEFS are private between you and God. God expects your BEHAVIOR to conform to the Seven Laws of the Children of Noah.


169 posted on 11/26/2012 6:19:11 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Elsie
It's a little baffling--- you keep vehemently, colorfully, strenuously, fervently, fiercely, (checkin' the ol' Thesaurus), even heatedly reiterating things on which we both agree. Well, carry on.... ;O)

'Night, Elsie.

170 posted on 11/26/2012 6:25:10 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (May the Lord bless you, may the Lord keep you, May He turn to you His countenance and give you peace)
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To: jjotto; Elsie
Your BELIEFS are private between you and God. God expects your BEHAVIOR to conform to the Seven Laws of the Children of Noah.

Oh, he does, does He?

And you know this how? Do you have Scripture to support that?

Or did He tell you Himself?

171 posted on 11/26/2012 8:08:26 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: DaveMSmith; Jim Robinson
I intend on publishing video services from my Church here... I'm leaning toward the Devotional tag but haven't decided yet. It's very sacred to me.

I hope you ask Jim Rob's permission first. From what I know, Free Republic is not intended to be a substitute for a personal web site. Seeing that you are promoting a non-orthodox religious viewpoint, JR may not want Free Republic to be THE location "all" your followers come to for their fix. Plus, there are some specific rules for threads tagged as "Devotional".

172 posted on 11/26/2012 10:35:58 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: metmom

Deuteronomy 17:9


173 posted on 11/27/2012 12:03:41 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Some things NEED repeating!! ;^)


174 posted on 11/27/2012 4:38:44 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: jjotto

HUH??

Go to the priests, who are Levites, and to the judge who is in office at that time. Inquire of them and they will give you the verdict.

This is what GENTILES are to do?

Who knew!!!


175 posted on 11/27/2012 4:41:09 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

God spoke on Sinai to hundreds of thousands of witnesses. Who is the most faithful bearer of that communication today?

Moses spent several periods of forty days and nights in supernatural communion with God, then spent FORTY YEARS teaching what he had learned BEFORE he wrote comparatively brief notes, Torah scrolls, only a month before he died. Who is the most faithful bearer of the whole of that communication today?


176 posted on 11/27/2012 6:33:48 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto
Who is the most faithful bearer of that communication today?

Oh hyeah; the JEWS!!

They went into all the world...

177 posted on 11/27/2012 6:42:26 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DaveMSmith

Epistle of William Rotella to Dave Smith:

To Dave Smith, friend and Christian man, this epistle (church letter) I write to you, so that the whole matter concerning the three Abrahamic religions can be seen clearly and truly, and that Swedenborg’s Writings can be seen clearly and truly. Each religion being established serves it most distinguished purpose in help to the neighbor, as we know from the Bible, that helping the neighbor is the same as helping the Lord, and in that they follow the Lord’s example of non-violence and healing they are truly blessed. I also appreciate fully the Writings of the Servant of the Lord God Jesus Christ who was named Emanuel Swedenborg, for what he described as his doctrine or mindset that he said was shared with the heavens as an example of an angelic mind set. We know from the Writings of Swedenborg to hold fast to the ten commandments written by the finger of God on stone tablets and handed down to the Jews, and the Torah, the most excellent Jewish scripture, written in correspondences that the Jews have preserved so well. We know from the Writings to hold fast to helping the neighbor as the good samaritan did, even in his obvious poverty and weakness, whereas he stopped by the road to help a beaten man. Remember he said he would have to come back and give the innkeeper more money for the man, whatever was needed beyond what he had. I do not assume the good samaritan was even in good health or a happy mind - the Bible doesn’t say, but he was in a good state of mind, in that he stopped for the poor beaten man as any true religion will teach to help the neighbor and make amends to the neighbor in any genuine offense. We know from the most excellent Writings of Swedenborg also that the Christian world can well be defined in that we know that Jesus Christ was Divine and not just a man but the Divine or a visible part of the Divine in actuality - so that any doctrine that denies the Divinity of the Lord God Jesus Christ is in a technical error. However, since the Lord God Jesus Christ draws all to him, forever trying to reveal Himself, and give of Himself, and share what He knows with all mankind, we pray for the healing in that all nations will know that He was Divine and is to be acknowledged as Divine. What a happy day when we are ready to meet our Lord Jesus Christ and recognize who he is. The process is often one of initial non-recognition, but then as we wrestle with Him for understanding we see Him for who He really is - the ultimate altar of worship and the very primordial God Himself, so prone to teach us, lead us and speak with us as He will do with His friends who have won the victory and the wrestling match. We do not think that the Lord God Jesus Christ is dumb and cannot speak, or blind and cannot see, or deaf and cannot hear. He speaks to whom he will, he sees what needs to be seen for His most distinguished work of mankind, and he hears when our cries reach to heaven. We know that many people can have the Holy Spirit with them as the closest proceeding from the Lord - people in the country, people in towns, people in cities, people in the workplace, people in government, commanders, princes, queens, and the poor. This is the right approach in that we seek to always help your brothers and sisters, mothers and fathers, boys and girls and seek not to offend our brothers and sisters in the church for the kingdom comes quickly. Amen.


178 posted on 11/27/2012 10:14:31 AM PST by billcompugeek (Epistle)
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To: billcompugeek

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR8xhflWtEE&feature=youtu.be


179 posted on 11/30/2012 1:46:57 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose

ok


180 posted on 12/01/2012 5:43:27 AM PST by BlueMoose
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