Posted on 11/21/2012 2:34:48 PM PST by Lera
Not a word was heard from the Vatican all the years Sderot babies were in mortal danger. They began noticing the violence last week.
Cardinal Gianfranco Ravasi, President of the Vatican Council for Culture, commenting on the war between Israel and Hamas, delivered a severe attack on the Jewish people: “I think of the ‘massacre of the innocents’. Children are dying in Gaza, their mothers’ shouts is a perennial cry, a universal cry”.
The Catholic Church high official equated Israel’s operation in Gaza against terror groups with the New Testament story of Herod’s slaughter of Jewish babies in his effort to kill Jesus.
(Excerpt) Read more at israelnationalnews.com ...
Thanks.....why don't we all.
And while we're doing so, let's enjoy some more of Meiotti's "journalism".
Israel and the Christians (quote: "Certainly, some US Evangelicals would like to convert Jews, and Israel must fight them."....."Israel’s leaders urgently need to set up a moral platform rejecting the “Judeo-Christian” blend, which theologically fuses Jews and Christians together without protecting the Jewish faith and maintaining Israel as an independent single-faith Jewish community."......"the Vatican, which embraced a new aggressiveness against Israel")
The Islamic-Christian Assault on Jerusalem
Europe's Jews: The Irish War on Israel
The Cruel Israeli Maestro Welcomed in the Vatican (quote..."The Catholic Church, which today is busy in fighting the Jewish and free existence of the State of Israel...") The Pope's crime? Listening to (and enjoying) Beethoven played by Daniel Barenboim (the "Cruel Israel Maestro")
Did the Pope Help the Jews? (Quote..it's not hard - in fact, it is appallingly banal - to understand why the Pope kept silent while the Jews were gassed)
Palestinian Jesus, Israeli Herod
How deep is the Christian-Jewish Abyss? (quote:Pope Benedict and Protestant leaders must atone for what Christianity has done to the Jewish people by recognizing the unique place of the Jews and Israel.)
I think we get the picture.
I am not "anti-Catholic". The article of the thread spoke about a cardinal of the Catholic Church, one who is head of the Vatican's pontifical council for culture, making unjust comparisons of Israel in their battles against the terrorists of Hamas and King Herod, who massacred infants (Jewish ones) in his effort to destroy a rival "king". The article, if you read it, also spoke of other church officials making statements critical of Israel during other times in their dealings with Gaza. It asks a salient question that is worth an answer:
I don't think such questions are "outrageous" at all. I agree that ignoring or denying the truth is sad. What is also sad is ignoring that every church has people that say or do dumb things. Pretending that they are incapable of error just because of their "station" is simply dumb.
I have a difficult time believing this. The Vatican just doesn’t send out negative messages like this. Are you sure it’s not the slant of the lamestream media? Possbile misquoted or taken out of context?
Old news — why can’t you move on? You do realize that there is more abuse in families, protestant churches and schools, don’t you?
To some ducks, everyone looks like a duck. ;o)
Happy Thanksgiving!
The Pope and the Church have been condemning violence in the middle east on almost a daily basis for many years now, but one would actually have to be listening to hear it.
“The recent barrage of rocket attacks from Gaza into Southern Israel represents a continuing pattern of morally unjustifiable uses of indiscriminate force against civilians,” - Bishop Richard Pates, Chairman of the USCCB Justice-and-Peace Committee.
Sure he does...He is part of the Magisterium...Have you heard any other part of the Magisterium publicly post support for Israel for defending itself against the murdering scum??? Or come to the aid of Israel by rejecting this message against Israel from your Magisterium???
Refuted by the excommunication of all Nazis by the German Bishops in February 1931.
Never let facts get in the way of your ignorance, Einstein.
The pope’s statement is not just a grave deceit. It goes beyond that. It is plain blasphemy.
Only to the obtuse who choose to privately and incorrectly interpret Scripture, which Scripture itself warns you not to do. Publicly flaunting your ignorance isn't a character trait to be proud of.
"But of that day and hour no one knoweth, not the angels of heaven, but the Father alone." Matthew 24:36
"Watch ye therefore, because you know not the day nor the hour." Matthew 25:13
"Understanding this first, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation. For prophecy came not by the will of man at any time: but the holy men of God spoke, inspired by the Holy Ghost." 2 Peter 1:20-21
"And account the longsuffering of our Lord, salvation; as also our most dear brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, hath written to you: As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction." 2 Peter 3:15-16
I won't be holding my breath waiting for you to personally caution everyone on this thread attacking the Cardinal and the Church to not engage in knee jerk reactions.
Behind every double standard lies an unconfessed single standard.
A statement like that reveals you for what you truly are.
boatbums has made many statements that reveal who and what she trully is.Don’t we all?
You are a tool of the DLEMM - Dominant Liberal Establishment Mass Media and the fact that you haven’t defended yourself against the justified criticsm for your posting of this is very telling.
Part IV. Of the Kingdom of Darkness. Chap xlvii. Of the Benefit that proceedeth from such Darkness...
[21] For from the time that the Bishop of Rome had gotten to be acknowledged for bishop universal, by pretense of successsion to St. Peter, their whole hiearchy (or kingdom of darkness) may be compared to the kingdom of fairies (that is, to the old wives’ fables in England, concerning ghosts and spirits and the feats they play in the night). And if a man consider the original of this great ecclesiastical dominion, he will easily percieve that the Papacy is no other than the ghost of the deceased Roman empire, sitting crowned upon the grave thereof. For so did the Papacy start up on a sudden out of the ruins of that heathen empire.
[23] The fairies, in what nation soever they converse, have but one universal king, which some poets of ours call King Oberon; but the Scripture calls Beelzebub, prince of demons. The ecclesiastics likewise, in whose dominions soever they be found, acknowledge but one universal king, the Pope.
Hobbes, Thomas. Leviathan: with selected variants from the Latin edition of 1668. Ed. Edwin Curley. Indianapolis: Hackett, 1994.
I'm reminded of an article you recommended to me on another thread. I still remember the first line: "In order to be a good Protestant, you must be a good anti-Catholic."
Unfortunately it seems to me that threads like this demonstrate prejudice on both sides, Catholic and nonCatholic. Normally threads like this would frustrate me because we're all children of the same Father and we CHOOSE not to get along. Is it any wonder that the atheists and Islamists have the upper hand in our nation when we as Christians tear each other apart?!
Today being Thanksgiving though, I'm reminded that I have so much to be thankful for, including a mixed family of Catholics and Protestants who can get along just fine. There's nothing special about us. Getting along isn't difficult, it's a choice. I long for the day when we as fellow American Christians will start acting with the unity that would surely please the Lord more than building ourselves up at the expense of the other side. We don't need the atheists or the muslims to destroy Christianity in this nation. IMHO we do a pretty good job of it ourselves when we attack each other, destroying the credibility of our witness.
Off my soapbox and on to pie baking now ;) Peace be with you. And a very happy Thanksgiving to you, yours, and everyone following this thread.
No, you are very, very mistaken...
VATICAN CITY, NOV. 21, 2012 (Zenit.org).- During his General Audience on Wednesday, Pope Benedict XVI made an appeal for peace in the Gaza Strip. The Holy Father said he was following with "great concern the escalation of violence between Israelis and Palestinians" in the region.
Your pope is concerned about the escalated violence...Against the muzlims...He wasn't too concerned about the violence against the Israeli men, women, children and babies...Never heard a peep out of him...
Pope Benedict offered his prayerful support to the victims and those who are suffering in the conflict. "I feel obliged to reiterate once again that hatred and violence are not the solution to the problems," the Pope said.
Apparently hatred and violence were fine, against the Jews...
"I also encourage the initiatives and efforts of those who are trying to achieve a ceasefire and to promote negotiations."
What's to negotiate??? Stop the rockets into Israel and it will be over...Your pope knows that...
The Holy Father urged government authorities on both sides of the conflict to make "bold decisions in favor of peace" while reiterating the conflict's negative consequences to the Middle Eastern region.
And what bold decisions would your pope have the Israelis make??? Throw their weapons away???
And what are the negative consequences to the Middle Eastern region???
Pope Benedict XVI concluded his appeal stating that the region is "troubled by too many conflicts and in need of peace and reconciliation."
So why didn't your pope speak up when Obama and other World leaders surround Israel with Israel's enemies, the muzlim brotherhood??? And why isn't your pope speaking out against those murdering terrorists for forcing out and killing Catholics in those countries??? Could it be that he hate Jews more that he loves those Catholics???
So Hitler and Goebles and the rest were excommunicated, eh???
Yep, uh-huh...Sure thing, dude...
That firstly and foremostly applies to anyone and everyone in your false religion...
"And account the longsuffering of our Lord, salvation; as also our most dear brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, hath written to you: As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction." 2 Peter 3:15-16
Who could that possibly apply to other than those of that religion who are taught they can not understand the scriptures on their own by the people who pervert the scriptures noted in the first paragraph???
And he looks to be wearing a strange basket on his head with what appears to be a durag poking out the back. jmo.
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