but will you have a sound track as you come out of the grave?
Posted on 11/16/2012 4:23:51 AM PST by Biggirl
St Paul writes to the Philippians of the glory that our currently lowly bodies will one day enjoy:
He will change our lowly body to conform with his glorified Body by the power that enables him also to bring all things into subjection to himself. (Phil 3:19)
I once spoke with an older woman who wasn’t all that pleased to hear that her body was going to rise and be joined again to her soul: “Oh, Father, you don’t mean this old decrepit body?! If this body has to rise I am hoping for an improved model!”
Yes! I think most of us can relate to the need that our current lowly bodies will be improved. And they will surely be. Notice how the passage above says, that these lowly, often weak, diseased, and often over-weight bodies will be changed and reflect the glory of the resurrected body of Jesus. Yes, this old general issue clunker that I’m currently experiencing is going to be upgraded to a luxury model. We’re headed for first class.
In this month of November when we recall the four last things: death, judgment, heaven and hell, we ought to consider for a moment what scripture and tradition have to say to us about what our resurrected bodies will be like.
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Thank-you Msgr. Pope.
but will you have a sound track as you come out of the grave?
I always thought that the eternal life was one that was the period of your earthly existence when you were most happy. I always saw pictures of my parents when they were children and younger adults and they seemed so happy-go-lucky. I hope that their eternal lives are those children or those young, happy people. Not the old, pained and broken down version that has seen too much of the worst the world has to offer.
No body has love
Love has no body
I love you, you big dummy
-Captain Beefheart
I remember seeing pictures of my mother when she was younger and had just gotten married during the time of WW 2. She is now 88 years of age, just turn 88 a week ago today and has been dealing with both age and health issues. I look forward to the day when I go home myself and I see her as a young woman again.
What kind of body do you have in the world of your dreams? Why is a body even necessary in a spiritual realm? IMO, trying to convey spiritual realities with physical concepts and words is fraught with difficulties if you insist on a literal understanding.
Well the body that is spoken about in the Bible and what the writer wrote on.
I’m aware of what the Bible says but am suggesting that that interpretation may have a spiritual meaning and not a literal one. Consider the body to the soul like the cage to the bird. The bird doesn’t need the cage to exist, and, in fact, would be happier without it.
Just correct you, this can also be said about the end of the age, a time in which I sense we are getting closer to as military events in the Middle East this week has shown as well as what is going on in the USA.
I am a Lutheran pastor, but I skimmed through his article, and it looked pretty good to me. He takes what Scripture tells us--he hits the main passages on this--and makes inferences therefrom only with great humility. There are some things we do know, based on God's Word, but there are some things we cannot know yet. And there is enough to know that we can rejoice in the sure hope of the resurrection we have purely by God's grace in Christ!
Because God wills it. He is the God who decided to make a physical creation, to form man with a physical body--before the fall into sin, which brought death and decay into the world--and to then send an incarnate ("in-the-flesh") Savior to redeem both soul and body and restore creation, and who himself rose from the dead and ascended into heaven bodily.
I’m aware of what the Bible says but am suggesting that that interpretation may have a spiritual meaning and not a literal one. Consider the body to the soul like the cage to the bird. The bird doesn’t need the cage to exist, and, in fact, would be happier without it.
What you have just stated, almost perfectly--and hopefully unintentionally--is the ancient Gnostic heresy, which the Bible rejects and the church condemns. The resurrection of the flesh, the resurrection of the body, is a biblical doctrine that is absolutely firm and certain and trustworthy.
Charles, I am aware of your theology and beliefs and I respect them. I simply offered the possibility of another interpretation beyond the literal. If I read of someone who ‘flew out the door’, I suppose a case could be made that they were claiming the ability to fly.
The Bible clearly, explicitly, unmistakably, repeatedly, and utterly rejects a "spiritualized resurrection" as a "possibility," and thus the Christian church has absolutely combatted that heresy all through history.
If I read of someone who ‘flew out the door’, I suppose a case could be made that they were claiming the ability to fly.
No, for then the context would obviously tell you the person was speaking metaphorically. But when the Scriptures discuss the bodily resurrection, it is abundantly clear they are speaking of a literal bodily resurrection. And Christ's own literal bodily resurrection is the key here, as 1 Corinthians 15 (and other passages) make plain. Our bodily resurrection is tied to the bodily resurrection of Christ. The very gospel itself is at stake here. This is why the church has always taken such a strong stand against the Gnostic heresy.
What you had presented was and is a Gnostic heresy. The Bible is very, very clear that it is in the literal in regards to the future resurection that it is a body resurection.
Do you believe that Jesus rose physically, bodily, from the dead, that his disciples were able to literally see him and literally touch his glorified body? That is at the heart and center of the whole Christian faith. If yes, then one can see that the bodily resurrection of the dead is likewise to be taken literally. If no, then you are outside the Christian faith and have a different gospel, which is no gospel at all.
Jesus’s rising from the dead is what all who put their faith in HIM, how they will rise from the dead in body form.
My apologies for the hit and run, gotta head out
But does it really matter???
He is perfect and you will be too...
Trust in Him and not on our own knowledge.
Amen to that!
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