[reaganaut]

Mormons will say that they don't worship Joseph Smith, yet a look at the above quotes sound a lot like things Christians would say about Christ, even using biblical terms that apply to Christ, yet the LDS apply them to Joseph Smith.

Additionally, there is the LDS hymn about Joseph "Praise to the Man" (lyrics below) and the BYU nativity for Joseph Smith.

"Praise to the Man" (in current LDS hymnbook and sung often in most wards)

1. Praise to the man who communed with Jehovah! Jesus anointed “that Prophet and Seer”— Blessed to open the last dispensation; Kings shall extol him, and nations revere.

Refrain. Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven! Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain; Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren; Death cannot conquer the hero again.

2. Praise to his mem’ry, he died as a martyr, Honored and blest be his ever great name! Long shall his blood, which was shed by assassins; Stain Illinois, while the earth lauds his fame.

3. Great is his glory, and endless his Priesthood, Ever and ever the keys he will hold; Faithful and true he will enter his kingdom, Crowned in the midst of the Prophets of old.

4. Sacrifice brings forth the blessings of heaven; Earth must atone for the blood of that man; Wake up the world for the conflict of justice; Millions shall know “brother Joseph” again.

[reaganaut]

[Vendome]

We are Christians," Mormon President Gordon B. Hinckley insisted. "We have the name of Jesus Christ right in the name of our Church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

 

Implicite in the statement from any Mormon I have met and said "We are Christians" is they are ....You are not.

 

They are not part of the larger body of Christ.  Nothing to whine over.  They just believe all others are apostates and they have no choice really.

 

There is no Church of Christ of Latter Day Saints without Joseph Smith's "Revelations".

 

In fact, all Christians are "Whores of Babylon".

 

Heck, I've even been called a "Gracer" and some other stuff I forgot but, I'll probably get called it again.

 

I actually had to ask the OP of this thread what one of terms meant and it should have been obvious.  I laughed when it was explained.

 

Mormonism is a religion and culture of exclusivity and a closed society.

 

If you ever thought you were of this world but not part of this world then the Mormons really believe that too and 1 billion Christians are screwed as far as they are concerned and their screw you attitude.

 

Don't like what I just posted?  Challenge it. I read the BOM, PoP and a good portion of D&C over the last 6 years and I've become pretty steeped in Mormon history and folklore.

 

I must admit, I'm pretty surprised by the thing I know that many Mormons don't, or so they claim.

 

Flame suit on and sipping Single Malt Scotch....

[DesertRhino]

Thank goodness we didnt get a nasty mormon businessman elected. Now we get four more years of a communist muslim who wants to kill the babies that survive abortions.

Nice work to the ones that voted for nutty 3rd parties or stayed home.

[TigersEye]

0bama Zombie say: “0bama good. 0bama not Mormon. Long live 0bama!”

[chris37]

You must believe exaclty as I do, or you will burn in HEEEEEEIIIIILLLLLLUH!

You must follow these rules exactly, and shun all those other rules, or you will burn in HEEEEEEEIIIIILLLLLLUH!

You know what, reaganaut? Religion sucks, and people are control freaks. Why don’t you believe whatever makes you feel better and let others do the same.

[Arthur McGowan]

This is all so uninteresting!

Mormons do not believe in the Trinity. Thus, they cannot believe that Jesus Christ is the Incarnate Second Person of the Trinity. Thus, they are not orthodox Christians.

A much more interesting question is: How many mainline or even evangelical Protestants don’t believe that Jesus Christ is the Incarnate Second Person of the Trinity?

[fish hawk]

Read “ Cult Watch” by John Ankerberg and John Weldon and you will see that Mormons are not Christians , not even close. (Jesus and Satan were brothers and you can become a god yourself)

[sauron]

I was taught by a Protestant pastor (when I was a Protestant) the SAME THING that I am being taught by the Orthodox Christian church: that LDS has (1) a different god, (2) a different savior, (3) a different pathway to salvation, and lastly, (4) a different heaven.

I've studied it. It's true: their "god" is predated by the Universe, he was a being that perfected himself, their "Christ" is merely the "firstborn" and not as John 1:1 describes, their path to salvation involves earning it through individual effort, and lastly, they have three heavens.

Mormonism can't bear close scrutiny without falling apart. Not if one approaches it with intellectual integrity, it can't.

Sauron

[Tainan]

I’m thinking that the absence of a cross on, or in, their ‘worship’ buildings might be a tip-off also....

[imardmd1]

Members of the LDS Church are familiar with the charge that Mormonism isn't a Christian faith. They hear it often enough, but they really don't understand why people think that. "We are Christians," Mormon President Gordon B. Hinckley insisted. (Article Post) reaganaut/MRM

I'm with you on this, folks, more than 100% ...

Mormons will say that they don't worship Joseph Smith, yet a look at the above quotes sound a lot like things Christians would say about Christ, even using biblical terms that apply to Christ, yet the LDS apply them to Joseph Smith. (Post 1) reaganaut

... but this aspect of LDS doctrine is one I had missed on my study and documents related to LDS applications. Good assertion.

Implicite in the statement from any Mormon I have met and said "We are Christians" is they are ....You are not. (Post 3) Vendome

Yeah, I sang in a Barbershop quartet in which the lead was an LDS member. We had several discussions on our beliefs demonstrating their irreconcilabilities. (As an aside, his name was Norman. Guess our nickname for him -- )

Finally, I believe the Bible and AS A CHRISTIAN I am COMMANDED to speak out against false teachings and false Christ’s. I am doing what the BIBLE commands me. (Post 23) reaganaut

I'm glad you have, here with this article and responses. I support you (which is little), but the Holy Scriptures undergird your stance strongly and firmly, commanding that you earnestly contend for The Faith once delivered to the saints, for the purpose of showing the common facts leading to conviction, repentance, persistently committed trust, and eternal salvation.

And I know first hand that Mormonism isn’t Christian. I was saved out of it almost 20 years ago. (Post 32) reaganaut

Ah, that is not unique. If you really hold the various implementation of doctrines to the light of Scripture, you will find the LDS teaching is not the only rejection of interpretation faced by the matured disciple of The Christ. I was saved out of Methodism, whose foundation really traces back through the Anglican connection and is anchored in the Romanism religion.

The Master privately warned his disciples:

"... if* any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ^**, or there; believe it not***. For there shall arise false Christs****, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch that if***** it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect" (Mt 24:23-24, cf. Mk 13:21-22; also 2 Pet. 2:1-3).

(Keys:
- if* : if, and it may be = 3rd class conditional
- Christ^** : ^ meaning "Anointed One" in English, "Messiach" in Hebrew; ** this is articular, should be "The Christ"
- believe...not*** : do not commit trust to the prophet or to a christ he is claiming to be The Christ
- Christs**** : this is anarthrous, and should be rendered without the specificity lent by capitalization -- "christ"
- if***** : if, and it is true = 1st class conditional)

In counseling the divided church at Corinth, Apostle Paul's agony over them was inscripturated:

"... I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ^**. For if he that cometh preaches another^^ Jesus, whom we~ have not preached,or if ye receive another^^^ spirit, which ye have not received, or another^^^ gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him" (2 Cor. 11:3-4)

(Keys:
- Christ^** : as above, The Christ, The Messiach. The Anointed One [refers to The God's water- and Spirit-anointed The King of Kings]
- another^^ : in the Koine Greek, allo = anotherof the same kind
we~ : "we" is Apostle Paul and his disciple Timothy (and of course inspiring The Holy Ghost), exclusively
another ^^^ : in the Koine Greek, hetero = another of a different kind)

Paul and Timothy's fear was that the minds of the Corinthian assembly's constituents would be corrupted by the elders allowing false prophets to air their views before the congregation, rather than discerning the drift of false teachers, declaring them anathema, and forbidding their assembling with the brethren.

Here, Paul and Timothy are not talking about Mormons or JWs or Unitarians, each of whom have other christs of a different kind (who should be summarily rejected, not even bidding them "Good day" nor of inviting them into your house for a discussion; see 2 John verses 9-11). No, they are warning of those who present another Jesus of the same kind, who was said to be The Same True Jesus (who is/was Eternal God incarnated, lived, suffered, died, visited Paradise, resurrected, ascended, returned briefly to walk 40 days with his converted disciples, reascended, sent His Spirit to regenerate the converted believer-disciples, and Who is to come to this sphere once more); BUT IS NOT. This "Jesus" is one described to be of the same kind, but whose "gospel" is of a "salvation" that can be lost, which depends on supererogatory works of the adherent; and which offers a second chance after death; as well as requiring one to seek Him to obtain His Grace by earning it through observing religious rituals. The true regenerated believer-disciple is faced with a plethora of similar christs but whose salvation plan is contraindicated by scripture, as is the spirit behind such a gospel.

So, in pointing toward those claiming God's favor but who have various false christs of a different kind, a dissimilar kind, who will not survive the examination by even a spiritual infant; one should at the same time warn more spiritually mature people, who have overcome the Wicked One, but whom might still be vulnerable to the approaches by preachers who offer a christ of a similar kind, another one of the same kind, but with a different doctrine of church polity, of salvation, of corrupted scripture translation, etc.; whose spirit is not The Holy Ghost, but is one from that dragon, the serpent, the Liar and father of falsehood, that old Devil.

Watch out for these also, who more subtly seek to divide the brethren. These are spiritually discerned, not beguiling the person steeped in the deep things of The God.

Warmly, but winning, watching, and warning regenerated disciples ---

[Charles Henrickson]

"We are Christians," Mormon President Gordon B. Hinckley insisted. "We have the name of Jesus Christ right in the name of our Church. . . ."

No, you are not Christians. You do not teach the truth about Jesus Christ. If you get the person and work of Christ wrong, you are not Christians. You are heretics, false teachers, who need to be condemned.

[Charles Henrickson]

BTW, while I condemn Mormonism for the false teaching that it is, at the same time I just voted for a Mormon for President. His wrong religious beliefs had nothing to do with my thinking he would do a better job in the office than his opponent.

[Alex Murphy]

Ping! Smithmas is coming!

[Colofornian]

Mormons will say that they don't worship Joseph Smith, yet a look at the above quotes sound a lot like things Christians would say about Christ, even using biblical terms that apply to Christ, yet the LDS apply them to Joseph Smith.

Which shows you how Lds regularly blaspheme Christ by usurping Him with Joseph Smith.

For a detailed breakdown of how the Mormon 'jesus' is distinctive from the Jesus of the Bible, see:

* Will 'any ole' 'Jesus' do? (Two Mormon leaders clamor 'no'; and I agree with that!) [Part 1]
* Lds leaders concede they worship, speak about, believe & acknowledge a different Jesus [Part II]
* 'Another Jesus': Does it matter if Jesus is distorted @ hands of Mormon leaders? [Finale: Part III]
* 'Another Jesus': Does it matter if Jesus is distorted @ hands of Mormon leaders? [Finale: Part IV

[Elsie]

Guess Who? [Mormons don't worship of Joseph Smith???]

SURE they don't!!

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Any MORMONs reading the following want to disown what has been shown here?

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"He (Joseph Smith) is the man through whom God has spoken... yet I would not like to call him a savior, though in a certain capacity he was a god to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be."

 - Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:321

 

 

"You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a god..."

- Herber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 5:88

 

 

"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]"

- (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)

 

 

There is "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God"

- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190

 

 

"I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, "Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;" if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgression—if you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again."

 - Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155

 

 

 

"It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men.... If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation,"

 - Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670

 

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They succeeded in killing Joseph, but he had finished his work.

He was a servant of God, and gave us the Book of Mormon.

He said the Bible was right in the main, but, through the translators and others, many precious portions were suppressed, and several other portions were wrongly translated; and now his testimony is in force, for he has sealed it with his blood.

As I have frequently told them, no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.

Who has made this so?

Have I?

Have this people?

Have the world?

No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it.

If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.

If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass.

Can you pass without his inspection?

No; neither can any person in this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.

In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this Prophet.

They say that they killed Joseph, and they will yet come with their hats under their arms and bend to him; but what good will it do them, unless they repent?

They can come in a certain way and find favor, but will they?

 Brigham Young,

--JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, vol. 8, p. 224

[Saundra Duffy]

Thank you for posting the words to one of my favorite LDS hymns! Yes, we revere and honor Joseph Smith who died as a martyr. Murdered in cold blood.

Go ahead and make fun of the Prophet Joseph Smith. Jump on the band wagon and dog pile on. It mattereth not.

Now, about Jesus Christ, the Head of the Church, our Savior, Lord, Master, Redeemer, and Soon-Coming King - He is the reason our Church was formed.

So I don’t know what you point is - yes, we appreciate the sacrifice of Joseph Smith but Jesus is our Lord. Amen.

Pretty darn tricky, you, though. But cheer up - maybe you can get me banned/zotted again so you won’t have to be tormented by my love for the Savior Jesus Christ.

[Lancey Howard]

I just reread the wiki entry on Joseph Smith, and wow, there just doesn’t seem to be the slightest hint of Christianity in Mormonism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Smith