White Horse Prophecy [Mitt's Loss brings obvious conclusion that Mormon leaders falsely prophesied]

MessagetoEagle.com ^ | Nov. 8, 2012 | Dustin Naef

[Cronos]

Note that I said tirade (as in the past) -- and in the past this has included statements such as "Billy Graham sending congrats to the KKK" and I'm not sure if Graham knows he's a pawn for the dark side. But he is, in spades and Statistics have proven that over 90% of the decisons for Christ were false. They were converted by Graham,not the Holy Spirit. He has always been a heretic that denied the Sovereignty of God in salvation. You can go to ex-christians.com blog and see the consequences of Mr. Graham and others of his false gospel. and Billy Graham simply and uncritically recycled American techniques for mass-producing false conversions. -- those are tirades disparaging a very religious man.

Whether we share the Rev Graham's views and beliefs or not, I'm sure we can still agree that he is a man of God and not say that he is a "spawn for the dark side".

[Cronos]

but the only reason Dave would like to know, is so that he can find something, ANYthing, to pounce on to put YOU on the defensive.

I've debated and even argued with Dave over the past year or more and told him frankly where I am coming from -- and I can categorically say that he has NOT done that to me. When arguing even heatedly about a belief, he has focused on common points and the differences from the common points. He has not 'pounced on this to put me on the defensive'

I strongly disagree with much of his beliefs but he has not played like many of the Mormons or other posters here.

[Cronos]

If what I'm saying here on FR can't be understood withOUT "knowing where I'm coming from" then I am not being very clear in my writing.

I'm sorry, but that is true.

Take Dave's case -- if one just went by his "Mormons spiritual brethren" statements one gets the wrong picture of his beliefs

The fact that he has Swedenborgian beliefs means that his views, which non-Trinitarian are not as out-there as the Mormon views

What exactly is wrong with being honest about one's religious beliefs? He has done this here with all of us, me included, disagreeing with him -- why can't we return the courtesy?

[mitch5501]

"People would rather be praised into Hell than rebuked into Heaven"

"...Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits..." (Isaiah 30:10)

[Elsie]

I strongly disagree with much of his beliefs but he has not played like many of the Mormons or other posters here.

That's seems to be true.

Perhaps I was a bit over the top in assigning a motive to him.

But dealing with him seems to me like being in a greased pig contest.

[Cronos]

"Luther died miserable and quite insane" -- the first is debatable -- he was miserable about the third and fourth generation reformaters taking things much more extreme -- note that he included those who denied the Trinity (fourth) an extremely disturbing force

however, insanity can be proved or disproved by historical proof and the historical proof belies that statement -- he was not insane at the end at least in the classical definition of insanity

[Elsie]

You nailed it!

[Elsie]

More:

11 Leave this way,
get off this path,
and stop confronting us
with the Holy One of Israel!”

12 Therefore this is what the Holy One of Israel says:

“Because you have rejected this message,
relied on oppression
and depended on deceit,
13 this sin will become for you
like a high wall, cracked and bulging,
that collapses suddenly, in an instant.
14 It will break in pieces like pottery,
shattered so mercilessly
that among its pieces not a fragment will be found
for taking coals from a hearth
or scooping water out of a cistern.”

[Cronos]

After him, I personally believe many people of God appeared with concrete approaches to mysticism and spirituality. For myself, I've had such experiences countless times over the years - even at one point believing I was THE messiah and writing about it on FR.

To be quite blunt that is what can happen if one aims to throw out the existing religious foundation each time. It's just like Maths -- one does not start by debating why 2+2=4 to get to calculus and numbers theory.

We are based on Judaism and through that to Christianity. Tearing down the foundations can lead any and all to believe they are THE Messiah and that gets no-one, no-where fast...

[Elsie]

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[Elsie]

Ain’t politics FUN!!!

15 This is what the Sovereign Lord, the Holy One of Israel, says:

“In repentance and rest is your salvation,
in quietness and trust is your strength,
but you would have none of it.
16 You said, ‘No, we will flee on horses.’
Therefore you will flee!
You said, ‘We will ride off on swift horses.’
Therefore your pursuers will be swift!
17 A thousand will flee
at the threat of one;
at the threat of five
you will all flee away,
till you are left
like a flagstaff on a mountaintop,
like a banner on a hill.”

18 Yet the Lord longs to be gracious to you;
therefore he will rise up to show you compassion.
For the Lord is a God of justice.
Blessed are all who wait for him!

[Cronos]

Dave points out that different interpretations of the same inerrant scripture leads to different views

John 14:6 can be held by Trinitarian Christians, by Swedenborgians, by Jehovah's Witnesses and by Mormons each with their own interpretations. Even universalists would take that verse in isolation and outside the overall context of the Bible to prove their point

[Cronos]

Again, my belief is there is ONE God of heaven and earth who is Father, Son and Holy Spirit: Jesus Christ. Three 'persons' is not Scriptural. You need to quote me verses for the rest or I'll just have to assume that's a personal opinion.

how does this belief of yours, Dave, differ from XeniaST (Uri'el's) belief?

[Cronos]

Again, my belief is there is ONE God of heaven and earth who is Father, Son and Holy Spirit: Jesus Christ. Three 'persons' is not Scriptural. You need to quote me verses for the rest .

Firstly, Trinitarian belief is not that these are three "persons" in the English meaning . It is a bad translation from the Latin 'Persona'

Secondly, Trinitarian belief is that there is ONE God not three Gods

John 10:29 "That which my Father hath given me, is greater than all . . . I and the Father are one." doesn't make sense unless there is some separation. Ditto for the scene at Christ's baptism and at Christ's crucifixion.

thirdly, the concept that Jesus was only God negates one of the key points of Christianity which is Christ's humanity. He was not just deus ex machina

[Cronos]

No more than with any other non-Trinitarian. The arguments within the definition of the Trinity are complex and dependent on deep knowledge of scripture as well as linguistics modern and ancient

[Cronos]

No more than with any other non-Trinitarian. The arguments within the definition of the Trinity are complex and dependent on deep knowledge of scripture as well as linguistics modern and ancient. I’m no expert on the latter either

[metmom]

No doubt.He can then deal out his so-called power to high-minded men and at the same time let them operate under the delusion that they have special 'whatever' and that they wield that so-called power rightfully.Because they're so smart,have secret knowledge,are privy to all sorts of secret schtuff.Satan offered all that to Jesus (Luke 4:6) and was rebuked for it but men lap it up and are puffed up with it,not realizing where it actually comes from.

That's really profound.

2 Corinthians 11:14-15 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.

1 Corinthians 1:18-31 18 For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart.”

20 Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe. 22 For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

26 For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. 27 But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; 28 God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, 29 so that no human being might boast in the presence of God. 30 And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption, 31 so that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.”

1 Corinthians 2:1-16 And I, when I came to you, brothers, did not come proclaiming to you the testimony of God with lofty speech or wisdom. 2 For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. 3 And I was with you in weakness and in fear and much trembling, 4 and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, 5 so that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.

6 Yet among the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are doomed to pass away. 7 But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory. 8 None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9 But, as it is written, “What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him”—

10 these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. 11 For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. 13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.

14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. 15 The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. 16 “For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

[metmom]

Get Heaven and Hell and just read it with an open mind.

WRONG!!! That's the doctrines of demons.

Go to Scripture and ask God to reveal the truth in it to you through the Holy Spirit.

[svcw]

90% where did you get that?
And if its true, isn’t that the same as any church service?
When you say false what do you mean?
Many people are Saved yet do not know or understand the joys of God on earth, and really have lost out.....that in no way means their Salvation was false.

[metmom]

Pointing out to you RNmomof7’s tirade (as in the past) against the Reverend Billy Graham. The Reverend has been called by such like as a serpent or worse.

Nothing in RNmom's post was name calling. She's right. If he gives the appearance of condoning false teaching, he will have to answer for it.

It's hardly a tirade to recognize the truth.