The abortion issue came up in a previous conversation.
She believes that a woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body and the government has no right to tell her.
She also supports homosexual marriage.
Did I tell her she’s supporting government sponsored abortion?
I should HAVE to point that out to her with the Catholic church’s position on it? This lady is no spring chicken and is very bright. She KNOWS better. She knows the Church’s position.
And my Evangelical co-workers and I DID do that with our practicing Catholic co-workers, and it didn’t faze them. When asked straight out, *How can you vote Democrat when they support abortion?* All we got was, yeah, but *the democrats are for the poor*. Being for the poor trumps murdering babies.
I don’t get it either. I have no idea what kind of mentality can justify it, and these were not stupid people.
If this lady supports gay marriage and abortion, then God have mercy on her soul
What she supports is not only against Christian Catholic believes but overall Christian beliefs
When asked straight out, *How can you vote Democrat when they support abortion?* All we got was, yeah, but *the democrats are for the poor*. Being for the poor trumps murdering babies. -- thank you for trying at least.
poor doesn't trump murder
Don't get me wrong, I support giving poor people opportunities, but it is not an either/or condition. Either pro-poor or anti-abortion. i am anti-abortion and pro-poor. Poor people need to get opportunities to improve themselves. I don't want people starving, but if a person is not challenged, why should he/she get the same lifestyle as someone who works his butt out?"
Furthermore I tell them of 3 cases I personally know -
1. I helped out with Mother Teresa's roses in Bombay and trust me, there are REAL poor people. the poor in the US live lives that middle-class people in the rest of the world live and they get fat on it. I know REAL people and how they just want an opportunity to better themselves and their family. The first case is a poor illiterate father and mother who are Tamils of a low caste. Both are laborers on construction (and in India this means NO safety helmets or anything and they carry mud and bricks on their heads), but they love their two boys and are a truly loving family. We helped teach the boys at CCDTrust (as an aside, to all freepers, this is a cause worth helping) and since then we have sponsored his education. And it costs us practically nothing -- just $200 a year. But this is giving a kid OPPORTUNITY (see next example)
2. While in the US in college I met a blind kid from India (this was in the 90s) -- both his parents were also laborers, in Madras, he was blinded at the age of 8 and had a gaggle of brothers and sisters. At the age of 12 Jesuit priests helped his family and sponsored his education in Jesuit schools and colleges and he got, on his own merit a scholarship to a US Ivy league school. He's brilliant and comes from an unimaginably poor background. I have no doubt that the kid I am honored to help will reach the same. Poor people need opportunities, not hand-outs.
3. Case 3 -- we were helping a poor lady in the east of Poland for the past two years. She's a widow and had 5 kids. Education here is free, but we paid for her heating etc. We were able to do this with the help of a fine priest from Caritas. But recently we found out that she's freeloading -- asking a number of people for money and sitting back with cable tv,fancy ring tones etc. and the kids too, they have no value for money as it comes to them for nothing. The last straw was when she fought with the priest because he asked her to come and collect it from the Church and she didn't want to stand in the queue. Reason given? It was not dignified. This lady is an example of what happens if we just hand out money and not opportunity
NET-NET, the lady is an example of a Democrat voter and one who would benefit from Democrat rule, while the two kids who WORK hard and improve not only their lives, but their parents lives (oh, forgot to add -- that blind kid is now doing pretty well and has brought his entire family out of poverty and they too are working hard and doing well) are people who GOP policies would help
I think this is a pretty good set of examples of REAL pro-poor policies
No where does God admonish governments to forcibly steal from those who work and give to those who do not work.
We are admonished to care for the poor but it is voluntary.