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The acceptance of the book of Revelation {ecumenical}
Religious Tolerance ^ | 2009 | rt

Posted on 10/15/2012 2:03:43 AM PDT by Cronos

During the 1st century CE, Judaism was composed of about 24 separate religious groups. Some of these were the Sadducees, Pharisees, Essenes, various groups within the Christian movement, followers of John the Baptist, etc. One which had a strong political agenda was the Zealot party. The Zealots taught that a military-political Messiah would soon appear, as prophesized in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament). He would conquer the world, and rule for a thousand years from Jerusalem.

This concept of millennialism was promoted during the second century CE, by Montanus, a recent convert to Christianity. He prophesized that the New Jerusalem would shortly descend out of the clouds and land in a town called Phrygia. He set a date for the event, thus becoming one of the first Christians to predict when the end of the world would occur. His teachings were rejected by the rest of the Church. At the Synod of Iconium in 230 CE all baptisms performed by the Montanus sect were declared invalid. The Council of Constantinople in 380 CE went further, and declared millennialism to be a heresy.

the Church was slow to accept Revelation as scripture. Origen, an early Christian theologian, used the term antilegomena to describe those books -- including Hebrews, James 2 Peter, 2 John, 3 John and Revelation -- whose inclusion in the official canon of the Bible was actively disputed. In the fourth century CE, when the canon of the Bible was assembled from among the approximately 50 gospels and hundreds of epistles then in use by the Christian movement, Revelation was only reluctantly included. To this day, Orthodox churches do not use Revelation for scripture readings during worship.

Martin Luther downgraded the significance of Revelation. It portrays God as inflicting horrendous punishments on humanity -- a concept that is today sometimes called "Ambush Theology." Luther concluded that he could not readily harmonize the God described in Revelation with the God to whom Jesus prayed to as Abba. When Luther translated the Bible into the German language, he downgraded Revelation by relegating it to an appendix.


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To: Zionist Conspirator

Neither has Arianiam or Donatism or Marcionism or Montanism... it’s not the one and only


21 posted on 10/15/2012 10:33:42 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos

onedurful.


22 posted on 10/15/2012 10:52:32 PM PDT by RBStealth
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To: RBStealth
I'm just pointing out how we are saying "oh, so many bad people", when in past times there were also "so many bad people"

Case in point is the year 430 AD -- Attila, Alaric, Vandals, Huns, Goths, Heruli, Angles, Jutes, etc. all attacking the Empire. Must have seemed like the end of times

Or in the 10th century -- the end of a 1000 years, you have Magyar attacks, Saracen attacks (the Saracens had conquered Spain and Sicily and even parts of southern Italy

23 posted on 10/16/2012 12:26:24 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos

you are legend.


24 posted on 10/16/2012 10:39:47 AM PDT by RBStealth
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To: RBStealth

ok. it’s just that we think we’re living in the end-times when in comparison to things that happened in 430 AD, in 1452, the 9th and 10th century, or in eastern europe from 1939-1956, this looks like a cakewalk..


25 posted on 10/20/2012 11:11:55 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Twinkie
Ya' think ?
26 posted on 10/20/2012 11:19:52 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple. Fight ... or Die !)
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To: RBStealth
Read this. the name of Latium,DIV
27 posted on 10/21/2012 12:52:02 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple. Fight ... or Die !)
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To: RBStealth

28 posted on 10/21/2012 1:17:56 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple. Fight ... or Die !)
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To: Cronos

Dude! Your Catholic right! Yet you dont know what your talking about yet you want to teach others? and express your opinions. You couldnt even mention Sennarcherib and Nebuchadnazzar from the bible when it was appropriate to me. These times in Catholic Prophecy: Bible and Catholic saints prophecy agree that these times are whats known as the little chastisement, although we wont consider it little, with the Big chastisement being the second coming.

Try reading some of the below,all of which carry book reviews by me:
http://www.amazon.com/Trial-Tribulation-Triumph-Before-Antichrist/dp/1882972732/ref=cm_cr-mr-title

http://www.amazon.com/Triumph-Power-Glory-Catholic-Church/dp/0761516042/ref=cm_cr-mr-title

http://www.amazon.com/Coming-Soon-Unlocking-Revelation-Applying/dp/193101826X/ref=cm_cr-mr-title

http://www.amazon.com/Prophets-Times-Rev-Gerald-Culleton/dp/0895550504/ref=cm_cr-mr-title

http://www.amazon.com/Catholic-Prophecy-The-Coming-Chastisement/dp/0895550156/ref=cm_cr-mr-title

http://www.amazon.com/Warning-West-Aleksandr-Solzhenitsyn/dp/0374513341/ref=cm_cr-mr-title

Please I dont wish any further correspondance nor do I wish to further enlighten you. 9 times out of 10 my comments are addressed to ‘none’, I addressed mine to your name the article poster, my mistake.
Reading is the path: The Bible, Prophecy and History. Good day.


29 posted on 10/21/2012 8:32:04 AM PDT by RBStealth
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To: Cronos

One last thing:

http://www.markmallett.com/blog/


30 posted on 10/21/2012 8:56:09 AM PDT by RBStealth
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To: RBStealth
Sorry, but those links are sheer speculation. The incidents in the book of Apocalypse clearly indicate Nero's time.

I don't want to waste any more time enlightening you, so do stop. thanks

31 posted on 10/21/2012 11:06:28 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos

Ping


32 posted on 11/13/2018 12:35:39 AM PST by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: RBStealth

“WISDOM’ is a reference to Solomon(Solomon was renowned for and prayed for wisdom)”

Our pastor last Sunday did a brief description of Revelation.

He described it as truth being told using fantasy. “This would make SUCH a GREAT movie!” He talked about how one word would have evoked a thousand words in the mind of the Hebrew reader. The DRAGON (satan, sin, evil, etc.) Red (blood, covenant, temple sacrifice, Jesus’ sacrifice, the prostitute’s red sash, the blood on the doors during Exodus, etc.)

He said in the 22 books of Revelation their are 250 references to the Old Testament.

And just as the prophets of the OT, some of it is interpretation of current events (when it was written) and also of future events. I was surprised to learn a few weeks ago that the OT prophets spent most of their time (and words) on describing and interpreting current events. Not as much time spent on foretelling of events in the future.


33 posted on 11/13/2018 1:12:01 AM PST by 21twelve (!)
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