The effort pits the foundation against the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints , which controls the burial sites and, the men say, has never taken responsibility for the deaths of 120 men, women and children. Scott Fancher said perpetrators included church leaders and militia members. "They have never once apologized to the families of the massacred victims," he said. "We think frankly it's high damn time."
Ping for later
***”The church has owned the monument site at Mountain Meadows for many years.***
Does the State of Utah have this site on their Utah road maps yet?
Are you aware that TWO other wagon trains were also attacked? The Shepherd Train and the Miltmore train. Both suffered loss of life in those attacks and the people said the attackers were white men dressed as Indians.
Do you know that local mormons considered the Mountain Meadows site haunted for many years.
Fancher owned 200 acres of property here in Arkansas about two miles south of me.
Smells like Axelrod and company.
I remember seeing a movie with Jon Voight and Dean Cain about this topic a few years ago.
This has been posted and re-posted, it is old news.
Why don’t you post something about the Governors of these two States of Missouri and Illinois posting bounties for the scalps of any Mormon, man, woman or child that is truly barbaric. Their only crime was being of the LDS Faith. LOOK IT UP!
A 5 year old article about a 157 year old incident.
What is your agenda?
Either that, or whatever opportunist rises to the "top" of the Constitution/American Independent/Alan Keyes Pyramid ... er ... Party.
Well, you became a member of this forum in Feb 2012. I reviewed your postings since April (one page’s worth of forum search results). Since that time you’ve been on an anti-Romney jihad. My opinion is that you’ll shed no tears (except perhaps tears of joy) should Obama win reelection.
I think I’ll work a little harder to elect conservatives and Republicans in November’s election in your honor.
The Kansas-Missouri squabble beginning in the 1850’s left a lot of people dead. William Quantrill’s raid on Lawrence, Kansas in 1863 killed roughly 200 people.
And what's this about “white-on-white violence?” Do white-on-black or white-on-indian massacres rate lower on the moral scale?
By the way, you’re VERY transparent. You should have made more of an effort to establish your bona fides here.
The creibility went right out the window with the statement “Apart from the Oklahoma City bombing, this was the single largest act of domestic white-on-white violence in the history of the U.S.,” .
Was the War of Northern Aggression just a figment of our imagination???
Why Mormonism Is Not Christian
by Leonard C. Albert
http://www.laityalive.wordpress.com/
3/07/2012
... The biblical teaching on blood atonement is that the shedding of blood is required for forgiveness of sin (Hebrews 9:22). The Bible teaches that the blood of Christ cleanses from "all sin" (1 John 1:7). Early Mormon theology, however, teaches that for certain sins the blood of Christ alone does not avail and the person's own blood must be shed for atonement. Under the section, "Blood Atonement," of the book, Mormon Doctrine, LDS Apostle Bruce R. McConkie wrote, "… there are some serious sins for which the cleansing of Christ does not operate, and the law of God is that men must then have their own blood shed to atone for their sins." The 10th Mormon prophet, Joseph Fielding Smith, in Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. I, page 135 says, "Joseph Smith taught that there were certain sins so grievous that man may commit, that they will place the transgression beyond the power of atonement of Christ. If these offenses are committed, then the blood of Christ will not cleanse them from their sins even though they repent. Therefore, their only hope is to have their own blood shed to atone as far as possible in their behalf." Think back to Gary Gilmore executed by a firing squad in 1977 at Utah State Prison in Draper. Think back to John Albert Taylor executed in Utah in 1996 and Ronnie Lee Gardner executed in Utah in 2010 - all by firing squads. The prevailing belief is that in its early history, Utah used a firing squad because it allows 1 to "shed his own blood." ...
Frankly, in the larger scheme of things, nobody gives a rat’s ass.
If you spend time on the religion forum, you'd learn that the regular posters here are Christians first, conservatives second, and Republicans third. We're not going to stop pointing out that Mormonism is not Christianity just because it might hurt the Republican candidate (who has never had a conservative political thought in his life). Concerns for the distant third loyalty are not going trump the much stronger first two loyalties.
You religious people are nuts!
I should have made it clear in post #43, I was directing that at your critics and not you. I shouldn’t have used “you” in the second paragraph when I meant “the critics.” Sorry for any confusion - I was in a hurry to get my thoughts posted and should have slowed down and proofread more carefully.
My great great great great great Aunt Cynthia Jones Tackitt was among the victims. I know the LDS has apologized, but for many of us this is the other 9-11.