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To: achilles2000; vladimir998

vlad is correct about the loss of Scottish independence. Scotland under James V pursued its own policy that was not appreciated by Henry 8.


16 posted on 09/10/2012 1:24:33 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos

The point that he made was that Beaton’s death hastened Scotland’s loss of independence. He has yet to offer an argument of any sort to support Beaton’s death as having any such effect, and he has explicitly admitted that he hasn’t offerred an argument.

My point about the loss of Scottish independence was not that Scotland ceased to be an independent country when the UK was formed, but rather that the same could be said for England. Moreover, with the excpetion of Cromwell, England has been ruled by non-English families since the death of Richard III. People can quibble about how much this matters - and I don’t say it matters a lot - but there is a romanticized view of England shared by some in which it is asserted that the English have always dominated the UK, and the fact of the matter is that England has often been ruled by foreigners, including foreigners who could hardly speak English and, in the case of the early Hanoverian Kings, didn’t like spending time in England.


21 posted on 09/11/2012 9:42:19 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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