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To: Alberta's Child
"His ilk" includes the so-called "Catholic leadership" in this country that has capitulated to a radically secular government whose agenda for this country is an utter abomination by any objective measure.

Last I checked the Bishops led by Dolan are fighting the HHS mandate, abortion and same sex marriage. In what area have they capitulated?

Ann Barnhart is right. The shepherds have ingratiated themselves with the wolves and invited them into the pasture, while the flock is left to fend for themselves.

Ann needs to get over herself. Earlier this year she had a post on her blog that stated she expected Cardinal Dolan to cave quickly on the HHS mandate and prayed she would be wrong. I sent her an e-mail and said not to worry, her prayers would be answered and Cardinal Dolan won’t cave. Now she predicts

“ Dolan will eventually tell Catholics that they should "comply under duress" with the HHS mandate, and that it will be "morally acceptable" to pay for abortion, contraception and sterilization, so long as the Catholic "doesn't like it" and does it only "under protest".

She’s a fool and this prediction will also not come to pass. I would suggest all the Dolan bashers take of their secular hats and replace with their spiritual one. The truth of the matter is nothing will happen to the Church unless God permits it. He’s in charge not us. There’s a reason Cardinal Dolan is leading the effort and not Ann Barnhardt.

25 posted on 08/29/2012 5:49:42 AM PDT by pegleg (Lies will seek you out, but the truth must be sought.)
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To: pegleg
There is a high-profile case in Colorado involving the Catholic-owned business (Hercules Industries) who filed suit against the HHS mandate and won a temporary stay of the HHS mandate for that company. The lawsuit is titled Newland v. Sebelius in the court docket (Newland being the Catholic family that owns Hercules).

The Catholic bishops in this country can't even figure out how to deal with prominent Catholics in our national leadership who are complicit in these kinds of abominations ... to the point where a Catholic family has to turn to the civil court system to deal with an abomination like this involving a CATHOLIC public official. Sorry to be blunt about this, but if these bishops had any b@lls they would have publicly excommunicated people like Nancy Pelosi and Kathy Sebelius by name years ago.

It's one thing to "engage the enemy," as you've said elsewhere on this thread, but the time for engagement is over when your institution is involved in lawsuits against that "enemy." Under no circumstances should a religious leader extend an invitation to a civil government official who has openly engaged in the exercise of his or her civil authority in a manner that udnermines the moral foundation of those religious believers and threatens to persecute them. "Rendering unto Caesar" does not mean inviting him to dinner (for a major fund-raiser, by the way) or showing up at his palace for a photo-op when he has already taken such an adversarial stance.

32 posted on 08/29/2012 8:48:30 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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