Posted on 08/27/2012 6:30:52 PM PDT by stpio
I can give you many quotes , but you already know them and the darkness gives you reason why they don’t fit...even though they are obvious. Jesus prayed for strength from his father in the garden and many times..always doing His will. God does not need to do that! You have been brainwashed into the apostasy. Sorry, many have and just will not admit that they have been so very gullible.
Like I have said on several other threads. This election has insured that this country will now have a non-christian POTUS for 8 years now.
It will be fun to see which of the dead-souls the poster uses to inform his/her/its response. I’m betting the response reflects LDSinc teachings ...
No, it will not take eight years to sort this out. If America is still having free elections by 2016, a guy like Ryan or other strong conservative will be front and center to stop the degeneration of America. Sadly, I don’t think 2016 will arrive in a free America.
John 1:1 - “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
John 1:14 - “And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.”
John 5:18 - “For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.”
John 8:24 - “I said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins.”
Note: In the Greek, “He” is not there.
John 8:58 - “Jesus said to them, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.’”
Exodus 3:14 - “And God said to Moses, ‘I AM WHO I AM’; and He said, Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
John 10:30-33 - “I and the Father are one.” 31 The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32 Jesus answered them, “I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?” 33 The Jews answered Him, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.”
John 20:28 - “Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
Col. 2:9 - “For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form.”
Phil. 2:5-8 - “Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 Therefore also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those who are in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
Heb. 1:8 - “But of the Son He says, “Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom.”
Quoted from Psalm 45:6, “Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever; a scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Thy kingdom.”
Interesting you should say that; there is evidence for the trinity throughout the New Testament; laying aside Paul's writings we have John's -- one of the Twelve -- book of Revelation wherein the first chapter describes the Trinity:
Ch 1
4 John to the seven assemblies that [are] in Asia: Grace to you, and peace, from Him who is, and who was, and who is coming, and from the Seven Spirits that are before His throne,
5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the first-born out of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth; to him who did love us, and did bathe us from our sins in his blood,
6 and did make us kings and priests to his God and Father, to him [is] the glory and the power to the ages of the ages! Amen.
As you can see the book is sent from three persons: the was/is/is-to-come, the seven-fold spirit (Isiah gives God's spirit seven attributes), and the Son.
More interestingly are the claims of who is responsible for the Resurrection -- THE central point of Christianity, w/o it Christianity is a lie, w/ it the most astounding and validating-of-his-ministry miracle of Jesus -- one is the Father that raised him up; another is that Jesus lays his own life down and takes it up again; the third is God's Spirit raises him from the dead.
Absurd; Jesus is the trunk. W/o him we branches all die.
. Indeed, he is the vine and we are the branches.But you beg the question. Who speaks for him?Who interprets the Bible for us? The Lord said, a house divided against itself cannot stand. He was talking immediately about the House of Satan, but he was also talking about us when we turn against one another.
Jeopardy-style: "Who is the Holy Spirit and what is His purpose?"
The Lord said, a house divided against itself cannot stand. He was talking immediately about the House of Satan, but he was also talking about us when we turn against one another.
This is true; and it is most interesting that no church split* is ever instigated by new Christians.
Why? Because they are too obsessed with the fact that God has saved them: that is, their focus is on God's Grace.
* As opposed to cults or other blatantly-false teachers.
The Holy Spirit works through people. WHICH people? Which people incarnate truth, and which people do NOT?
Incarnate is a pretty heavy term; there's only one that incarnates the truth: Jesus.
As per John's Gospel's first chapter.
As for telling which people to listen to, 1 John 4 tells how.
Appropriate, posting another current message speaking of the HOLY TRINITY, believe, forget false Gods. We all must repent, confess our sins, get in the state grace. The “awakening”, the “illumination”, the “warning” is spoken of again. Daily prayer and Confession, everyone, this is the way to prepare for it. The last paragraph, proof, God the Father is running toward His creation with open arms. Doesn’t it make you smile how much He loves us all?
posted at http://www.catholicbinder.com/
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Messages to Pastor Enoc
http://www.MensajesDelBuenPastorEnoc.org/
MARY’S MYSTICAL ROSE URGENT APPEAL TO MANKIND
“LITTLE CHILDREN, I CALL FROM THIS CHOSEN CITY, TO ALL MANKIND WITHOUT DISTINCTION OF CREED, RACE, OR RELIGION; COME BACK TO THE FATHER’S HOUSE, THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE TRINITARIAN DIVINITY GOD WHO LOVES ALL HIS CREATION AND HIS CREATURES!”
August 22nd, 2012
Official Translation
Little children of my heart, may the peace of God be with you all. My heart is desolate and sad at the loss of so many souls; the time of Divine Justice is increasingly closer. O mankind, what is happening to you! Why do you not listen to this Mother who bends over backwards of love for you! Do not pin any more thorns onto my aching heart, reconsider and repent before the time of Divine Justice starts. I tell you, you do not know what you will face.
Little children, when the time of the Holy Divine Justice arrives, there will be no time to repent. Do not be so stubborn, see that everything is about to begin at any moment and the vast majority of humanity is still riding in sin. Remember: God loves you, but hates your sin; stop sinning already, because time is no longer time! Abide by these latter bells of mercy, because justice will be coming soon.
Little children, I call on you from this chosen city to all mankind without distinction of creed, race or religion; come back to the Father’s house, there is only one true Trinitarian Divinity God who loves all His creation and His creatures. Do not worship any other gods, nor worship deities brought by the hand of man, because these separate you from the love of the one true God. Little children, look how merciful is the Father who, even knowing that many of you turn your back to Him, to follow doctrines of strange gods; He remains faithful giving you his love and waiting to be recognized as the universal God.
Oh nations, prepare for the awakening of consciousness by which you will become aware of the existence of the one true God, the Lord of all creation visible and invisible, God of gods and Lord of lords. He who is and who was and forever will be. I am calling on you, little children, who worship strange gods, abide to the love and mercy of God the Father Yahweh, be not afraid, my Father, who is your Father, loves you and His mercy will be bigger with you during the Warning, to awaken again to this earthly life, it recognize Him, as the only true God, and rejoin His flock and you may be one flock under the care of a single pastor.
My Children, My Father is waiting to show you the truth, do not think He will punish you, do not think He will make any reproach, not little ones, My Father is love in essence and is waiting for you with open arms, so that you may return as prodigal sons to thy parents house. The flood of His mercy to all mankind will soon give and all nations will adore Him and recognize Him as the one true God. Thereby prepare your souls little ones, for the hour of great mercy is at hand. May the peace of God be with you and my maternal protection assists you. Your Mother, Mary Mystical Rose.
Make this message known across the confines of the earth.
“Romney was NOT my first, second, third, or even fourth choice, nor do I have LOVE for any of the Mormon teachings, at the same time a second Obama term WILL BE A DISASTER for the USA.”
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Hi,
Yes, exactly, there is no choice, we are confronted
with two men who go against God. God can bring about a
miracle, keep praying for it.
Do not give up hope because of our nation’s evil leaders.
“I am really surprised that on a religion thread, that people are wading in here and making statements that the Trinity is a Catholic belief only.... That’s why I replied to Post 1, not that you said anything wrong stpio... I am just in shock that these folks would post when they are so uninformed. I tend to keep quiet on a thread if I am not of expert opinion on the topic, but good lord people. Step up yo’ game... Read...Think...Post or something like that.
Well I guess the fact that it’s in religion doesn’t matter since everyone sees it but still.”
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Thanks tech. I wish I could reply to everyone.
Belief in the Trinity is the base and can’t be denied if
you are Christian. It’s so clear about Obama but Romney,
we are suppose to settle for when he doesn’t believe in the
true God! Mormons need our prayers.
A candidate in Missouri was crucified for professing all
life is sacred. This period of time is insane, guard your own soul.
“That would be anti-christ logic... She did not cooperate? So he is a tyrant/ dictator and we have no choice.”
I clearly, plainly and specifically affirmed the deity of Christ, His incarnation and full humanity, and exactly the fact that Jesus Christ did come in the flesh. For you to cite this passage and claim my position is an Antichrist position is beyond preposterous. Further, you again twist the subject away from the Biblical focus on Christ as the object of adoration, affection and worship and attempt to make it about Mary. The passage you cited said nothing about Mary. Christian faith requires confessing Christ as Savior, not Mary. The name of JESUS is the ONLY name given among men by which we can be saved. NOT MARY. An attempt to add confessing Mary as a condition of salvation or a test of doctrine is to distort and twist and subvert the true Gospel of scripture.
As far as God forcing Mary, I have already answered this plainly. The incarnation would have happened regardless because God either would have found some other willing woman or, absent of any willing woman, could have raised up the promised “seed” from the very stones of the ground. How is this possible? I don’t know. I’m not God. I don’t claim to know how God does miracles. How can a dead person come back to life? I don’t know, but God does. The miracle of incarnation, like the atonement, resurrection, pouring out of the Holy Spirit, and other miraculous elements of the salvation God promised, depended on God alone. Does God allow us to cooperate with Him and benefit from being part of what He is doing? Yes. Are we supposed to praise, adore, and bow down and pray to apostles, Mary, saints, and others who did cooperate with God and were used by God to perform miracles? No. I have demonstrated this from scripture already.
This is the charge I lay at the feet of the Catholic clergy from the local priests, nuns, and deacons to the Pope in Rome. None are exempt nor excused. Each one will carry their own guilt if they do not repent.
“You don’t like the title ‘Mother of God’ because it is too ‘broad.’ But the doctrine is clear that she is the Mother of the Son, not Father, Son and the Spirit, whatever you think it ‘implies.’”
It has nothing to do with what I like but what God approves of. He chose the words of scripture. Add not to His words lest you be found a liar. Rather than address the specific charge of idolatry, you chose instead to focus on the semantic issue. What is far worse than the inaccurate and misleading phrase under discussion is the stubbornness and willful disregard for God’s command to abstain from idolatry which is not only permitted in the Catholic church but is openly and universally encouraged, or more so even demanded from her adherents.
That was a later Greek thing codified and promulgated by the Roman "church" with the development of Dogma in the form of creeds. Interesting you should say that; there is evidence for the trinity throughout the New Testament; laying aside Paul's writings we have John's -- one of the Twelve -- book of Revelation wherein the first chapter describes the Trinity: Ch 1 4 John to the seven assemblies that [are] in Asia: Grace to you, and peace, from Him who is, and who was, and who is coming, and from the Seven Spirits that are before His throne, 5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the first-born out of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth; to him who did love us, and did bathe us from our sins in his blood, 6 and did make us kings and priests to his God and Father, to him [is] the glory and the power to the ages of the ages! Amen.
As you can see the book is sent from three persons: the was/is/is-to-come, the seven-fold spirit (Isaiah gives God's spirit seven attributes), and the Son.
More interestingly are the claims of who is responsible for the Resurrection -- THE central point of Christianity, w/o it Christianity is a lie, w/ it the most astounding and validating-of-his-ministry miracle of Jesus -- one is the Father that raised him up; another is that Jesus lays his own life down and takes it up again; the third is God's Spirit raises him from the dead.
When you describe god as a person YHvH has sent his Shekinah to fill the temple. YHvH has sent his breath as the Ru'ach HaKodesh. But I would not dare to describe YHvH as a person(s). Father is used throughout the Tanach as YHvH It also says that YHvH is our redeemer Was/is/is_to_come is the essence of YHvH One G-d: YHvH
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
Not three persons
one is using a Greek description of god(s)
In anthropomorphic terms i.e. as humans.
It would be a sin of pride to describe YHvH as a human(s)
More than once See: John 1:14 John 1:14 And the Word became flesh,
and [tabernacled}dwelt among us,
and we saw His glory[Shekinah],
glory as of the only begotten
from the Father,
full of grace and truth.
relates to his Chosen children.
throughout the Tanach.
as Eternal not as three persons. "...this is My name for ever, and this is My memorial unto all generations."
No, you are wrong. A human is always a person, a person needn't be human. -- IOW it is personhood that is (part of) what it is to be made in the image of God. God is a person: he has emotions, he has will, he has a mind.
But I would not dare to describe YHvH as a person(s).
That's because you erroniously assume what it is to be a person. Human is a strict subset of person.
Father is used throughout the Tanach as YHvH relates to his Chosen children.
That's because he has emotions and cares for us; qualities of a person.
It also says that YHvH is our redeemer throughout the Tanach.
That is because he has a will and is able to act of his own volition; qualities of a person.
Was/is/is_to_come is the essence of YHvH as Eternal not as three persons.
Agreed; God is outside of, and therefore unbounded by, time.
“One G-d: YHvH
Not three persons “
Christ, Messiah, Lord, Jesus, IS a Person and IS fully God.
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