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“Christ’s followers here – the non-believing ones – could not accept that He meant His words literally. So, He repeated himself four times – four times He stated directly that one must “eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood” to “have live” (eternal live, that is).

When these disciples responded with incredulity or doubt, asking for clarification, He only repeated His words, more strongly (adding “drink his blood”).
Some of His disciples “walked no more with Him” as a result of this teaching. He did not attempt to keep them from going, as He surely would have if they had merely misunderstood the words. No, it is even more obvious that His words meant exactly what He said, literally, for if not the teaching was not “hard” and would not have resulted in disciples who could not accept it. In fact, this is the only instance recorded in the Gospels of Christ losing followers over a doctrinal matter – because they could not accept a teaching as given.

The literal meaning of the Greek word used for “eats” (trogon) actually means “chewing” or “gnawing” – a very graphic word that would not be used in metaphor.”


Christ specifically states that faith in Him will grant eternal life:

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

He repeats this many times, including in the chapter you were quoting. In fact, Christ uses the imagry of eating and drinking and connects it with Belief:

John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

So belief will eternally satisfy thirst? Or will drinking the Roman wine satisfy thirst? Hmmmmm?

In fact, this is how Christ begins his discourse on what you claim is the teaching of the Eucharist.

He then concludes with this in the same chapter when speaking to His apostles:

Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Not only does the flesh profit nothing, the words that He speaks “are spirit, and they are life.” Salvation, therefore, is a spiritual act, with a spiritual significance. No Roman ritual can possibly replace it.


5 posted on 08/18/2012 9:34:33 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: RaisingCain

Then in Baptism we literally die?


6 posted on 08/18/2012 9:35:52 PM PDT by Patrick1 (" Let's all pray Kim Kardashian's divorce won't have an impact on her craft.")
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To: RaisingCain

Are you saying that you can sin all you want, not receive the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist and still live?

Is that what Christ says?

No, he says that unless you eat his flesh and drink his blood, the Eucharist, that he gave to us at the Last Supper you will NOT have eternal life.


10 posted on 08/18/2012 9:40:36 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: RaisingCain
"Christ specifically states that faith in Him will grant eternal life:

That is not all He said. He also said in Matt 7:21, “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

See Matt 25:31-46 where God verifies and elaborates on that and makes it clear that faith w/o works counts for nothing.

16 posted on 08/18/2012 9:59:37 PM PDT by spunkets
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