Posted on 08/12/2012 9:20:00 PM PDT by Phinneous
A Jewish class on why Jews do not accept Christianity. I post for Jews to self-educate and for Christians to understand the Jewish point of view--not that it matters (that they do.)
I will not dis-agree that the persecution of the Jewish People has not been done under the banner of Christianity...
IN addition the Jewish People do have a right to feel the way they do about Christian Evangelism.
However:
What we see going on today, in a world that has gone futher and further away from the Word of GOD from Sam Sex Marriage
issues, to abortion to pushing GOD out of every venue on earth, we see Jesus Christ changing lives...Not religion..
Religion is loosing the battlefront on all sides...
What we see is Jesus Christ changing the HATE of Many Muslims, we see Jesus Christ changing Atheists, We see Jesus Christ changing the role of Secular Governments....
This is also Prophecy in the Bible, that I think no one can over-look IMHO..
Acts 2:17 “’In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.
Joel 2:28
“And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions.
CURRENT NEWS:
Mission Network News hardly ever talks about ministry in Saudi Arabia. It’s not because it’s not happening. It is. But it’s one of the most difficult places to be a Christian, let alone do ministry. That’s what makes this next story so profound.
“Maryam” is a Saudi woman, and she’s done something so unusual she’s taking the internet by storm. According to Mahabat News, she is the first modern day Saudi woman to announce her faith in Jesus Christ on YouTube.
Todd Nettleton with Voice of the Martyrs is amazed. “To see a Saudi woman put her face—even though it’s veiled, but to put her face on the internet and say, ‘I’m not a Muslim any more. I’m a Christian now.’ She basically is signing her own death warrant.”
According to reports, this video has made Saudi officials extremely angry. It is to the extent that they called to take necessary measures to deal with Christian evangelism in Saudi Arabia. Nettleton says, “It’s being talked about even at the highest levels of the government. [They’re saying], ‘Hey wait a minute, our young people are leaving Islam. They’re following Christianity. We’ve got to put a stop to it.’ And over 1 million people have already watched the video on YouTube.”
Nettleton tells about his thoughts when he saw this. “The first thought I had was the incredible courage it took to do that. The second thought is just the excitement that even in Saudi Arabia, which we don’t talk about it very often, God is reaching people. Muslims are having dreams and visions. They’re seeing Jesus Christ, and they’re coming to know Him and believe in Him.”
In any western nation, this wouldn’t be a big deal. In Saudi Arabia, however, “The Saudi government says Saudis are 100% Muslim. And so, she basically is renouncing that and putting a target, really, on her back.”
Why is Saudi Arabia rejecting all other religions? Nettleton suggests, “The Saudi government bills themselves as the guardian of Islam’s holy sites—not only to guard those sites in a security sense, but also to guard those sites spiritually and not allow Christianity to even have a foothold on the Arabian Peninsula.”
Nettleton is issuing a call to prayer, especially now. “It is the middle of Ramadan. Muslims all over the Arabian Peninsula are fasting and praying and seeking God. Let us pray that they find Him, just as this lady did in a dream when Jesus came to her. Let us pray that many more Muslims will meet Jesus.”
While this is a surprising story coming out of Saudi Arabia, it’s not the only story in the Middle East. The Mohabat report also indicates that a Kuwaiti prince has given his heart to Christ. Nettleton isn’t surprised. “You know, as we see the Gospel coming into some of these countries, it’s only natural that it will reach all walks of life.
Nonsense on stilts. Rabbi Kaduri was a very great man. Ignoring questions about the authenticity of the note, no one knows what his intentions were if he wrote it, and the note doesn’t say anything about JC. At best, it happens to abbreviate Yehoshua, which is Joshua in Hebrew and ABSOLUTELY NOT JESUS.
The United States is great, but it is a recent development that does not atone for centuries and centuries of hideous persecution.
“You KNOW we don’t accept JC as messiah or Christian Bible. We aren’t going to budge.”
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Judaism said/says no, Jesus Christ is not God even though Jesus arose from the dead. Astounding, going from completely tortured, dead, to perfection in an instant. The new Italian study of the Shroud shows man can not duplicate yet the UV light that made the markings on the Shroud.
Non-Catholic Christians said/say no, Jesus who is God cannot
be present in a small wafer. Even though He said “This IS
My Body.” Our Lord also said, believe, consuming this consecrated wafer is how “I abide in You and you in Me.”
900,000 views, watch a Scientist explain a Eucharistic
miracle in Argentina (miracles within a miracle).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbg_dhI4XCs
Jesus is going to show you personally and soon brother, He wants you to become Catholic. Please, remember, okay?
Then who is this?
Yehoshua, which is Joshua in Hebrew...
25 years ? !!!
I have in my possession documentation of Jewish organizations preparing to possess Palestine, farm Palestine, build universities in Palestine, build industries Palestine, and build hospitals in Palestine, lay railroads in Palestine, and found a Jewish homeland in Palestine no later than 1840.
Answering your question with another question:
Do Jews accept the following?:
“A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another.”
Not trying to be a wise guy, but truly curious.
So...you’ll be adding the crusades, the inquisitions, the burning of the Talmud, expulsions from every Christian country, ghettos, pogroms, blood libels, anti-Jewish decrees, such as Jews being barred from professions, businesses, guilds, trade, public office, the wearing of humiliating clothes, hats or symbols, etc., etc., etc. (all by the church) as perversions of Christianity? So, basically, for all its history, right through the Nazis, Christianity has been perverted in one way or another on a mass scale, and often coming right from the Pope.
Please don’t tell me about Christianity throughout history. With regards to the Jewish people, it has an overall awful record.
...and if God's Plan provides a Perfect Sacrifice for all human sin so that all men through faith may be redeemed, might not the good Messiah, also be the same one who is 'cut-off' in judgment, having those sins imputed upon Him judicially?
Yet in the Book of JOB..Job never blamed anyone, when everyone was telling him to curse G-d even his own wife....
Light always overtakes the dark...
When you turn your lamp on the dark goes away....
Amazing to look at the parallels of the lives of Joseph and Jesus.
A book could be written. I quickly found this list online
Parallel Activity Joseph Jesus
He was the favorite son of a wealthy father Gen. 37:3 Matt. 3:17
He was a shepherd Gen. 37:2 John 10:11-14
He was taken into Egypt to avoid being killed Gen. 37:28 Matt. 2:13
He became a servant Gen. 39:4 Phil. 2:7
He began his ministry at the age of thirty Gen. 41:46 Luke 3:23
He was filled with the Spirit of God Gen. 41:38 Luke 4:1
He returned good for evil Gen.50:20 Matt. 5:44
He was humble and unspoiled by wealth Gen. 45:7-8 John 13:12
He was taught by God Gen. 41:16 John 5:19
He loved people freely Gen. 45:15 John 13:34
He gained the confidence of others quickly Gen. 39:3 Matt. 8:8
He gave bread to hungry people that came to him Gen. 41:57 Mark 6:41
He resisted the most difficult temptations Gen. 39:8-9 Heb. 4:15
He was given vision into the future Gen. 37:6 Matt. 24:3
He tested people to reveal their true nature Gen. 42:25 Mark 11:30
He was hated for his teachings Gen. 37:8 John 7:7
He was sold for the price of a slave Gen. 37:28 Matt. 26:15
He was falsely accused Gen. 39:14 Mark 14:56
He was silent before his accuser Gen. 39:20 Mark 15:4
He was condemned between two prisoners Gen. 40:2-3 Luke 23:32
He was dead before his father Gen. 37:33 Luke 23:46
He was held for two, and was free on the third Gen. 41:1 Luke 9:22
He arose into a new life Gen. 41:41 Mark 16:6
He was not recognized by his own brethren Gen. 42.8 Luke 24:37
He returned to his father Gen. 46:29 Mark 16:19
He became a lord / Lord Gen. 45:8 Rev. 19:16
I fully agree with the above parallels, and wish to add more albeit futuristic;
-Joseph took an egyptian bride. Jesus will first take a largely gentile church before comming back to the Jews
-Joseph’s body was not buried in Egypt(spiritual prison?). Neither did Jesus’ see corruption.
Matthew 5:39
“You search the Scriptures (Old Testament), for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.”
verse 46-47;
“For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. 47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”
Again, not Jewish “doctrine” thinking, tradition, or belief. Jews don’t “worship by their academics.” I don’t know how you formed your opinions on how Jews worship, and you certainly don’t grasp Jewish “faithful thinking.” So where does that leave us?
http://www.chabad.org/therebbe/article_cdo/aid/62221/jewish/Universal-Morality.htm
I know about 50 Yehoshuas in my hometown. Common name. Means nothing.
THINGS TO COME, A Journal of Biblical Literature No. 224., February, 1913., Vol., XIX., No. 2., p. 23.
Signs of the Times.
JEWISH SIGNS.
It was to be expected that the Balkan War would have far-reaching effects, and among other results might lead to some changes in Palestine. DR. MAX NORDEAU, in a letter to The Times, under date Dec. 30, says:
"Zionism----the Jewish National Movement----as is declared in its programme first proclaimed in Basle 15 years ago, and since never modified, is a movement for the purpose of acquiring for the Jewish people a home in Palestine guaranteed by public law. There is no malicious distortion to which these few clear words have not been subjected.
"We have been denounced to the Turks as revolutionary adventurers bent on tearing off Palestine from the Ottoman Empire in order to found there a Republic or a Kingdom of the Jews. We have always emphasized the fact that the very essence of our proposal is to remain loyal to the Empire of which Palestine forms a part, and to transform this neglected province into a most valuable portion of the Empire's territory . . . "
After describing all the various agencies at work in Palestine, he adds:---- "It is therefore evidence of the strong passion to raise Palestine from the dust and set her as a jewel among the nations of the world which animates the Jewish masses. Can Europe at this point help us at least morally in our striving, and at the same time perform an act that will prove of far-reaching value to the future of the world's peace and prosperity.
"What we see now from European diplomacy is not an exercise in our favor of any imperative or unfriendly pressure on Turkey. She would energetically and with justice resent it, and before all in the world we are anxious to add nothing to her present embarrassments and afflictions. All we desire is to be afforded the opportunity of offering European diplomacy exact information as to our aspirations and to solicit its friendly interest in their behalf. Now that it has become a happy practice to solve all international questions in common, it is of the greatest importance to us that those high personalities who are called to treat and decide upon, the litigious matters of the world politics should have laid before them the facts of Zionism by those that really know them. What we have to ask of Turkey we wish to ask directly of her, thus avoiding the introduction of foreign intermediaries between her and ourselves. We ask only for common justice . . . ."
He then points out that under the existing laws regarding foreigners discrimination is made against the Jews, asks for the abolition of such unjust limitations and proceeds:----
"If facilities were offered to our influx we should soon be very many more. There is room enough for us in the scarcely inhabited land. We have no intention of dispossessing or crowding out anyone. We are ready to buy honestly every inch of the soil we can possibly obtain, and to offer for it a higher price than any other purchaser. To none has the neglected land the ideal and sentimental value it has to us. We seek to become throughout the Turkish dominions an Ottoman nationality equal before the law to other nationalities of the Empire, such as the Arabs, Syrians, Druses, Turks, Greeks, Armenians, Kurds. The party in power does not pursue the error of centralization, and of levelling "turkification." It seems, on the contrary, wisely prepared to allow each nationality free range for its moral, intellectual, and economic development. Devoted collaborators as they desire to be in the prosperity of the Turkish Empire, willing to learn the official language for use in their relations with the Imperial authorities and with their non-Jewish fellow-citizens, Jews wish to employ among themselves in Palestine, in their schools, and in their communal administration in that land, their own national language----Hebrew. They desire to obtain for it the same recognition as all other national languages of the Empire. They strive to raise Palestine agriculturally, industrially, commercially, intellectually to a highly flourishing State, and true to the spirit of Judaism to make of the land a "hearth-place" of European culture.
"With these facts we are anxious to impress European diplomatists. Their comprehension of our movement and its tenets and their kindly disposition towards it will constitute a most valuable gain for Zionism and the Jew. It will, I have no manner of doubt, be a particularly important item too in contributing to assure the world the future of European peace by an act of tardy justice which will secure a home to a people out of whose loins proceeded those prophets who descried in peace one of the highest of human ideals, and taught it as a religion to mankind."
We're glad to see that this appeal has been favorably received by the Press, as is evidenced by the following from The Globe of the same date:----
JEWS AND PALESTINE.
We cannot conceive any valid objection to Dr. Max Nordau's suggestion, embodied in a letter to the Times, regarding the settlement of Jews in Palestine. A time when the solution of many problems in the Near East seems likely, is surely opportune for discussing one of, the most important objects of Zionism. The growth of Anti-Semitism and the actual persecution of Jews in certain parts of the Continent has made it more necessary than ever that some country should be found which will afford an asylum specially to the poorer members of the scattered community. And in this respect no more suitable place than Palestine could be found. Dr. Nordeau has no revolutionary proposals to make. All he asks is that the Powers should support the demand of the Jewish community for common justice and equal rights in Palestine. Nor does he suggest that any sort of independence should be granted to Palestine. The Jews are only too anxious to become loyal subjects of the Turkish Government, provided they are recognized as an Ottoman nationality equal before the law to other nationalities of the Empire. Palestine, would of course, in these circumstances rapidly develop into a self-governing Jewish unit of the Empire, and the gain to Turkey, to Europe, and to Jewry would be inestimable.
I know about 50 Yehoshuas in my hometown. Common name. Means nothing. It also means “Hashem Saves”. Which would be definitely NOT Jesus
“I know about 50 Yehoshuas in my hometown. Common name. Means nothing. It also means “Hashem Saves”. Which would be definitely NOT Jesus”
That’s funny, because that was exactly the mission of Christ. “Hashem Saves.”
Our lamp is the Torah. There is no other light. All the rest is darkness.
So Love is Darkness?
Peace is Darkness?
How do you overcome hate if not for love?
THINGS TO COME - A Jornal of Biblical Literature Vol. I.], SEPTEMBER, 1894., [No. 3., pp. 57-60.
The Signs of the Times.
THE great errors of the day may well be placed under three heads----the Fatherhood of God, the Motherhood of Nature, and the Brotherhood of Man. The first embraces all that is Rationalistic ; the second that which is Infidel ; the third that which is anti-Christian. In all the movements of the present day we may see the tendency to one or other of these giant errors. The last is perhaps at once the greatest and most prominent of the three, for it is that to which the others lead, and in which they culminate.
In proportion as God is dethroned and the Lord Jesus Christ is dishonoured, so man is exalted, and will in the end be deified.
We again note a few of many of the current facts which may not come under the eye of all our readers.
THE JEWS.
As regards the Jews, events are proceeding with rapidity. The solemn Fasts of the month of Abib, now just over, have awakened in the Jewish mind solemn thoughts as to Israel's past, and anxious hopes as to the future.
The month of Abib, they say, was the month when (1) the forty years' wandering in the wilderness was decreed ; when (2) the First Temple was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar ; when (3) the Second Temple was destroyed by Titus ; when (4) Bether was taken by the Emperor Hadrian, and 580,000 Jews were slain. It is now identified with Bittir ; and when (5) the site of Zion was ploughed as a field. (Jer. xxvi. 18, &c.)
The whole nation has been keeping this Black Fast throughout the world, and as each year passes the hope grows stronger that better times are at hand.
The Jewish Chronicle has just published two valuable papers by Mr. Haskett Smith, M.A., on "The Holy Land and its future prospects." The first was on "The Jewish Colonies of Palestine," giving an interesting account of these colonies as signs of "renewed life in Palestine," and as affording prospects of the re-occupation of the Land by the Jews. We have not space to quote any of its information.
The second article is on
RAILWAYS IN PALESTINE.
"The establishment of Jewish Agriculture Colonies in various parts of the Holy Land is, as we have already seen, a very remarkable and significant sign of the times ; being, as it is, a tangible and practical evidence of the fact that the country, so long desolate, is starting again into renewed vigor of life, and that the ancient people of God are commencing once more to gain a firm and sure footing on the sacred soil.
"Another striking example of the dawn of civilisation and progress in Palestine is to be found in the railways which are either in actual working order, in course of construction, or projected for commencement in the near future. Not a generation ago, such an idea as a railroad in the Holy Land would have been deemed a wild dream of the enthusiast's brain, impossible of realisation so long as the country remained under the dominion of the Moslem . . .
"In my opinion, the introduction of the railway system into Palestine, and the certainty of its gradually spreading over the country, however slowly, will probably do more than anything else to hasten the return of the Jews to the land of their forefathers . . . . There is no doubt that a sentimental objection against the introduction of the railway system into Palestine has existed, and indeed still exists, in the minds of many people. . . . Of one thing I am certain, nothing will conduce so surely and rapidly to the revival of life and activity in the land ; and nothing will probably tend more directly to expedite the re-settlement and re-population of Palestine."
After giving a detailed account of the various railways, projected, in progress, and completed, Mr. Haskett Smith concludes :
"Sooner or later these lines, or the majority of them, will inevitably be established in Syria and Palestine, whilst several smaller branches might be enumerated, completing the network of intercommunication.
"Seeing the stagnant conditions under which the country has lain for so many centuries, this prospect may appear visionary and chimercial to some people ; but so did the idea of any railway in Palestine only a few short years ago. The impetus once imparted will be sure to continue and increase, notwithstanding hindrances and obstacles which may be put in its way. The ultra-conservative prejudices of the Moslem and the suspicious fears of the Turk, the ignorance and fanaticism of the Oriental mind in general, may for a time offer more or less effectual opposition to the onward progress of civilisation in Palestine ; but they cannot prevail in the end. A bright future of industry, activity, and renewed prosperity is undoubtedly in store for the Holy Land ; and the question that Jews have now to consider most seriously is this : How they can practically, as a community and a nation, best avail themselves of the rising tide ? "
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Another remarkable sign of the times is seen in connection with
THE WATER SUPPLY AT JERUSALEM. The special correspondent of The Standard telegraphs from Vienna, Tuesday, August 21st, "The Turkish Ministry of Public Works has determined upon the reconstruction of the ancient water conduits of Jerusalem, dating from the age of King Solomon. By this means it would be possible to convey two thousand five hundred cubic metres of water daily to the Holy City. Of this it is proposed to give one thousand metres away free of charge to the poor of Jerusalem, the distribution to take place at the Mosque of Omar, the Holy Sepulcher, and other places frequented by pilgrims." These aqueducts will bring the water to the city from the fountains of Arroul. A tunnel is to be built 3750 metres long, and is the cost £80,000. The aqueduct was still in working order in the time of Christ.
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