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What is Cardinal Dolan Up To?
Crisis Magazine ^ | August 6, 2012 | Charlie Spiering

Posted on 08/06/2012 1:33:31 PM PDT by NYer

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To: SumProVita
my good judgment is evidence enough for me to post my opinion.

too funny. as if a socialist catholic bishop is rare.

21 posted on 08/06/2012 4:59:20 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (At what point does an escalated effort to remove this traitor commence, and what form does it take?)
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To: Alas Babylon!
I’m afraid after four years of making some inroads on my (democratic) fellow Catholics, stuff like this just encourages them to stay in the democrat fold. I’ve been hammering away on abortion, gay marriage and now these health care mandates, and all of a sudden we have the cardinal, one who led the charge, making nicey-nice. At best it’s confusing.

At best. What is the good bishop up to? The Democratic machine in Washington plays for keeps. Has he taken on too much here? Does he think that he can run with the Democratic dogs?

22 posted on 08/06/2012 6:02:27 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
Cardinal dolan is a socialist

Perhaps it's someone like you that gives the socialist a pass and empowers them by weakness of argument of hiding behind a screename on free Republic ? Yet, you CRITICIZE someone like Cardinal Dolan who would deal with an enemy face to face like Our Blessed Lord did with the devil and with Pontius Pilate

It's obvious who is the weak in faith ,dear friend,...and it's not Cardinal Dolan, which leaves you know who

23 posted on 08/06/2012 6:34:10 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: Alas Babylon!
At best it’s confusing.

It's hard to see FReeper Catholics support Dolan's invitation -- do they not see the danger, the inherent conflict in what such a thing represents?

I wonder if it would be better to suspend the whole Al Smith dinner altogether, than to come to this sort of "compromise."

24 posted on 08/06/2012 6:42:32 PM PDT by workerbee (June 28, 2012 -- 9/11 From Within)
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To: NYer

If he holds the line, as I believe he will, good move.

The Church can’t be engaged in the life of the country as she opposed the mandate but not engaged when an opportunity to maintain a civil tone comes up. It will show that our position is rooted in reason rather than instinct.


25 posted on 08/06/2012 7:21:24 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Church leaders are still deluding themselves into thinking they can negotiate/compromise with Obama or get him to back down. Anything but deal with the reality that he MUST be defeated.

Oh, I don't think Cardinal Dolan is under any delusions about Obama's veracity. He knows now EXACTLY what he's dealing with.

26 posted on 08/06/2012 7:44:33 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: NYer

Yeah, I’m gonna trust Dolan on this one. I’m glad he’s where he is right now and I’m not inclined to second guess...


27 posted on 08/06/2012 8:19:46 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

I agree with you. This invitation is a disgrace.


28 posted on 08/07/2012 4:00:41 AM PDT by PatriotGirl827 (Lord Jesus, direct my mind, possess my heart, transform my life)
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To: the invisib1e hand

my good judgment is evidence enough for me

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Lol! WHERE is the evidence of your *good* judgment?


30 posted on 08/07/2012 5:09:31 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. - Modified Descartes)
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To: stfassisi

You’re right about one thing mr assissi: my faith in cardinal Dolan is nowhere near as strong as yours.


31 posted on 08/07/2012 5:11:09 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (At what point does an escalated effort to remove this traitor commence, and what form does it take?)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Psychological projection?

;-o


32 posted on 08/07/2012 5:12:09 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. - Modified Descartes)
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To: the invisib1e hand

It was wrong to label Cardinal Dolan as a socialist because he is meeting with a socialist.

Do you consider Ronald Reagan a communist because he met with Chinese President Li Xiannian? Hopefully you see the error of your labeling since you offered nothing other than unsubstantial rhetoric


35 posted on 08/07/2012 5:48:59 AM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: NYer

The fact that Obama was invited is an advantage for the Obama campaign.


36 posted on 08/07/2012 6:58:44 AM PDT by ardara
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To: SumProVita
The very topic of this thread is evidence, for starters. Then too are the cardinals own words: "The catholic church has been advocating for universal healthcare for nearly a hundred years!" "I'm a staunch union man!"

As I said, if there were a sworn statement, you'd deny it. And furthermore, an opinion is not the sort of thing for which a reasonable person demands "evidence" -- though I have given it, because it's so explicit. You could go read his blog for yourself.

And, yes, I've learned to trust my judgment, and hero-worship doesn't suit me, but you're on your own.

37 posted on 08/07/2012 10:34:29 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (At what point does an escalated effort to remove this traitor commence, and what form does it take?)
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To: NYer

Perhaps the invitation is for the purpose of an Exorcism to drive out demons and evil spirits from our government.


38 posted on 08/07/2012 12:53:45 PM PDT by ADSUM
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To: the invisib1e hand

The topic is *evidence?* Incredible...

I see that you can still offer nothing but a repetitive lack of substantiation.


39 posted on 08/07/2012 1:03:34 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. - Modified Descartes)
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To: ADSUM

I am furious at the Catholic Church ( myself a Catholic) for not following up and messaging harder about the perils of the HHS mandate. The Church remains in the hands of men and certainly, as someone suggested above, Dolan - who initially messaged hard against BHO, has fallen asleep over the last several months. Something tells me Dolan has been given the same ‘compromise’ that was given to Justice Roberts.


40 posted on 08/07/2012 1:12:18 PM PDT by schwingdoc
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