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No 'Grey' area when it comes to immoral trilogy
OSV ^ | 7.31.2012 | Teresa Tomeo

Posted on 07/31/2012 11:22:22 AM PDT by Morgana

It’s a pitiful statement on the moral condition of our country and world. A book trilogy that promotes, among other things, sadomasochism, pornography and the degradation and sexual objectification of women continues to top the best-seller list. I don’t know what’s worse, the fact that the desensitization in our culture is so strong that we can’t recognize pure unadulterated porn when we see it or the fact that so many Christians, including some of my Catholic radio listeners, are among those going ga-ga over E.L. James’ “Fifty Shades of Grey.”

If you’re not familiar with the trilogy, I will try to sum it up as cleanly as I can for a Catholic newspaper. The story centers around a twisted relationship between a sexually inexperienced college graduate named Anastasia and a billionaire named Christian Grey. Anastasia falls head over heels for Grey and agrees to be his “submissive,” meaning she allows him to take control of her life and engages in a domineering sexual relationship focused on S&M and bondage. The book describes graphic sexual encounters. Secular psychologist and TV host Dr. Drew Pinksy described it as a story about a “pathological, abusive relationship that in no way resembles a healthy love life.” Fifty Shades of Grey

“Why women would pick this up as any sort of substitute for intimacy or any sort of a model for a reasonable relationship, I find just sort of disturbing,” Pinsky said in an interview with WTOP Radio in Washington, D.C.

Peter Kleponis, a Catholic therapist and author of “The Pornography Epidemic: A Catholic Approach” (Women of Grace, $10.99), says women are wired differently than men.

“Men are more drawn to pornographic pictures and videos and women are relationship stimulated, which is why they are drawn to romance novels, soap operas and chat rooms. ‘Fifty Shades of Grey’ is really pornography disguised as a relationship. ... It is actually degrading to women and does not present a healthy picture of relationships or sexuality.”

Kleponis said a woman reading the book is no different than a man viewing Internet porn.

“I doubt any healthy woman would ever want the kind of relationship or sexuality portrayed in ‘Fifty Shades of Grey,’” he said. “Would you want your daughters reading this book?”

What I find so appalling is the hoops some Catholic women are jumping through to justify reading the books. One listener told me the books have a great message because the main female character ends up redeeming Grey and helping him get over his abusive childhood. There is not room enough in 10 columns, let alone one, to talk about the problems of women trying to “fix” men while putting themselves in abusive situations. Just as disturbing is the lack of understanding on Church teaching regarding pornography. The Catechism of the Catholic Church (No. 2354) is pretty clear:

“Pornography consists in removing real or simulated acts from the intimacy of the partners, in order to display them deliberately to third parties. It offends against chastity because it perverts the conjugal act, the intimate giving of spouses to each other. It does grave injury to the dignity of its participants (actors, vendors, the public) since each becomes an object of base pleasure and illicit profit for others. It immerses all who are involved in the illusion of a fantasy world. It is a grave offense. Civil authorities should prevent the production and distribution of pornographic materials.”

We don’t exactly have to be a moral theologian to figure this one out. No pun intended, but there is no “Grey” area here.


TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues
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1 posted on 07/31/2012 11:22:29 AM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana

It is crap. The story is crap. It is written like crap. And yet millions of women flock to crap. Go figure.


2 posted on 07/31/2012 11:25:51 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just hate our government. All of them. Republican and Democrat.)
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To: Vermont Lt; wagglebee; GeronL

I first heard if this book here of all places. Yes if I did not come to FR I would not know that “The Story of O” (or a variation of it) was a national bestseller. Nope not me, too busy reading the likes of Glenn Beck. Not surprised this crap is being portrayed as a...a oh whatever.

I’ll just keep reading Glenn he is more interesting anyway.


3 posted on 07/31/2012 11:29:38 AM PDT by Morgana (This space for rent. Cheap.)
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To: Morgana

Ladies, every time you read “Fifty Shades of Grey”, God kills a kitten. Please think of the kittens.


4 posted on 07/31/2012 11:34:43 AM PDT by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: Morgana

There are two immensely amusing aspects to the popularity of this series.

The VAST majority of its fans are women. They obviously find something about the story immensely appealing and stimulating.

There are feminists out there trying to portray its popularity as an example of the emancipation of women, since they are “taking charge of their own sexuality.” Never mind that the basis of the story is the quite literal sexual enslavement of the female lead character.

Personally I wonder to what extent the popularity of the series is due to the natural healthy female desire for a dominant male. Stuff that healthy desire back down hard enough for long enough and it’s likely to pop back up in unhealthy ways.


5 posted on 07/31/2012 11:36:38 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Vermont Lt

I know teenagers who get involved with Japanese anamae and sometimes Manga which is full of gender bending B&D. Starts at pokemon and ...


6 posted on 07/31/2012 11:40:27 AM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: Morgana

I have never heard of that book, and hopefully never will again


7 posted on 07/31/2012 11:48:44 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Vermont Lt
It is crap. The story is crap. It is written like crap. And yet millions of women flock to crap. Go figure.

It is crap. The policies are crap. It is presented in crap speeches. And yet millions of women flock to crap vote for 0bama. Go figure.

8 posted on 07/31/2012 11:53:30 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Sherman Logan

I would imagine it does not hurt this Mr. Grey is a billionaire. Would of been funny if another version was sold making Mr. Grey just another Dilbert in a cube. I would guess zero copies sold. To steal from George Bernard Shaw this book establishes the buyer what type of women she is. Now it is just a matter of the haggling.


9 posted on 07/31/2012 12:01:57 PM PDT by C19fan
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To: Sherman Logan

As I see it Fifty Shades is simply escapist fantasy for women. I don’t understand why conservatives feel the need to bash a fictional book when we have much bigger problems with the liberals trying to socially engineer and shame all women into acting like loud obnoxious men.


10 posted on 07/31/2012 12:07:10 PM PDT by jarwulf
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To: C19fan

He is also no doubt devilishly handsome and a really snappy dresser.

My strictly limited investigation of this sort of female porn found that it spends an amazing amount of time describing what he and she are wearing.

BTW, I found the article’s mention of how it is really a bad idea to encourage female fantasies of “taming the bad boy” quite accurate. This “bad boy” fantasy is the basis of almost all romance novels. Women don’t often seem to realize that the bad boy is generally exactly that, and getting into a relationship with him is much like deciding to walk into a buzzsaw.


11 posted on 07/31/2012 12:08:42 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: C19fan

From what I’ve been told, the guy in the books is a 25 year old self-made billionaire who’s also incredibly handsome and in peak physical condition.

It’s pure escapist fantasy fulfillment.


12 posted on 07/31/2012 12:14:43 PM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: Truthsearcher
It’s pure escapist fantasy fulfillment.

So is drooling over nudie pics on sluts-r-us dot com ...

13 posted on 07/31/2012 12:17:15 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Morgana

I’m guessing that the women that are enjoying these books, just don’t think the same way as the author does.


14 posted on 07/31/2012 12:37:42 PM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: Morgana

Snore. I’m reading “At Dawn We Slept” upstairs and the memoirs of Winston Churchill’s daughter Mary downstairs, and an old issue of “Sailing World” (left by my husband) in the bathroom. “Sailing World” is pretty boring.


15 posted on 07/31/2012 1:01:49 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Live in such a way that your life would not make sense if God did not exist.)
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To: stuartcr
50 Shades of Gray Party, aisle 15

(no I did not think of this)


16 posted on 07/31/2012 1:03:04 PM PDT by trailhkr1
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To: Morgana

It is porn. Hard core porn. Yet it is held up as great female/mommy lit.

Think about that. If this was a film, the same people would be complaining it demeans women. Yet in a book form, it makes them happy to be tied up.


17 posted on 07/31/2012 1:11:11 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
If this was a film, the same people would be complaining it demeans women. Yet in a book form, it makes them happy to be tied up.

Yep, If this was a film, women would be complaining it is porn. Yet in book form, "what's the problemo?"

This meme sums it up


18 posted on 07/31/2012 1:19:55 PM PDT by trailhkr1
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To: Sherman Logan
This “bad boy” fantasy is the basis of almost all romance novels.

I'm not qualified to speak about "almost all," but it's not the basis of the romance novels I read. These are usually historical, often "Regencies" but including other periods. For example, Lauren Willig is writing a very enjoyable series in which there's a modern protagonist writing her disseration on Napoleonic-period espionage, and the main plots are romances involving the people she finds in her research.

Tasha Alexander has a series set in the late 19th century, also involving crime and espionage. Many historical romance novels have mystery plots (another of my fiction interests), and the romance develops in the course of solving a crime.

In all the books I like, the male protagonist is a decent man, and the romantic suspense arises out of external circumstances. (If he seems to be a worthless roue', it's to make the French think he's not a threat!) I have no interest in "bad boys" in real life, so I'm not interested in them as romantic leads in fiction or movies. I even want to give Thomas Magnum a kick in the shins and tell him to grow up, half the time!

19 posted on 07/31/2012 1:23:23 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Live in such a way that your life would not make sense if God did not exist.)
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To: jarwulf
As I see it Fifty Shades is simply escapist fantasy for women. I don’t understand why conservatives feel the need to bash a fictional book when we have much bigger problems with the liberals trying to socially engineer and shame all women into acting like loud obnoxious men.

Good grief. Are you one of those people who thinks that it is not humanly possible to have more than one thought in your head at the same time? Are you under the impression that people are missing work today because all of their brainpower is focused on this book, leaving no room for any of their day-to-day activities? Perhaps they are sitting in a puddle of their own urine because spending 5 minutes thinking about this nasty book robbed them of the ability to engage in personal hygiene?
20 posted on 07/31/2012 1:23:33 PM PDT by fr_freak
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