Posted on 07/12/2012 10:33:02 AM PDT by fabian
There is a power and technique that the church has missed. The quiet stillness where real salvation is gifted to us effortlessly is real prayer. Please find it so we can all fight for our nation and right much more effectively!
Once Save - Always Saved doesn’t work for humans because we all sin.
If we are not sinning any more, we are six feet under in a grave.
Some things are easy for us to stop doing, for instance a man who only has a sexual desire to please himself at the spur of the moment may not have any problem not coveting an other mans wife
Or a man that is not hungry, making a glutton of himself.
Or a man that can not stand the taste of wine being a wino.
I have no desire to wear one yellow sock and one black one so when i got to where i could buy socks in pairs i always wear two socks of the same color.
1 John 3:9 “Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.”
If you believe a true Christian cannot stop sinning then you do not believe the Scripture. Read slowly and carefully what I have posted: Whosoever is Born of God doth not commit sin.
There is a false Christianity that teaches this is not true.
He who has ears to hear let him hear.
I guess you missed the post here that show in the bible all of the places where we do gain power to not sin after salvation. The true meaning of your quote is all HAVE sinned...obviously. You are twisting the meaning to fit your own weakness.
John 1
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If we say that we have no sin,( Present )we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
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If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
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If we say that we have not sinned, ( past )we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
The power that we gain may not happen all of a sudden, it may take a life time and if it makes us perfect or not is only in our own eyes.
Perfect to some people is nothing more than not using tobacco.
To others you may be perfect if you did not believe in homosexual marriage.
To some it is almost impossible to be perfect but some how they are. of course the small letters says by the grace of God.
The true meaning of your quote is all HAVE sinned...obviously. You are twisting the meaning
No, I'm taking the words according to their plain meaning.
to fit your own weakness.
Accusing me of weakness after two posts is a sin. Repent.
Romans 7:22 For I delight in the law of God, ein my inner being, 23 but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.
We are to count ourselves dead to sin but that doesn't mean we are free from sin. Paul also stated:
Paul knew very well that we as Christians serve the law of sin.
Quite frankly I find Christians who state that they are not subject to sin or do not have sin quite puzzling. I only have to look inside my heart to see corruption. It refreshes me to know that God is taking care of "the mess in the attic" but I'm also well aware of my own inadequacies. As Paul states, thanks be to God that we can serve the law of God because of Christ. All one has to do is look inside themselves to see their own corruption. And that's the very heart of what being a Christian is all about.
The only people I know who do not sin are God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. (Of course the elect angels also are in that category.)
All the others who claim not to sin have either scarred their souls so much that they arrogantly ignore their sin or those who feel so very proud about how sinless they have become, that they also have fallen into sin.
Misusing Paul to have a good excuse to still sin. Obviously Paul is talking about before salvation.
Thank you for those quotes...makes it very clear!
1 John 3:7-15
King James Version (KJV)
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
You can try and wiggle yourself out of John’s real insights here...but it will not work.
you are simply wrong...
1 John 3:7-15
King James Version (KJV)
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
It is true, there is no temptation too great than that which may be resisted, but that does not entail some believers never sin after salvation.
We still are scarred in our souls from past sinful memories which we recall when facing situations where we sinned in the past.
We also have an old sin nature in our bodies which lead us to sin, even when the new man would otherwise.
In both situations, without appealing to immorality, we frequently sin by not being in the right place at the right time, having followed our personal thinking independent of God, instead of only thinking through faith in Him.
If you have driven 22mph in a 22mph speed zone, without cognition of the infraction, you have still sinned. If you drove 10 mph in a 20mph speed limit zone because you personally want to make sure you do not threaten any children in the area, but do this independent of faith in Christ, you also sin for substituting your guidance of your life for His Plan.
As soon as that happens, we fall out of fellowship with Him, requiring us to change our thinking back through faith in Him and confessing those sins to Him to return back to fellowship with Him, to live by His Plan.
Misusing Paul to have a good excuse to still sin.
Who said anything about excusing sin? That baseless accusation is another of your sins on this thread.
Obviously Paul is talking about before salvation.
Paul is talking in the first person and present tense - so are you saying he wasn't yet saved when he wrote that?
Paul reports that Peter "was to be blamed" (Galatians 2:11) for holding himself separate from the Gentile Christians.
No sale. Both chapters are written in the present tense.
Obviously Paul was not yet saved....and i am rather appalled at the misapplication of certain scriptures to justify weakness, and it is not a sin to see and expose that! It is a sin to accuse me of that sin. Give me a break....
Then what did he mean by saying in verse 2 of the very next chapter, "For the law of the spirit of life, in Christ Jesus, hath delivered me from the law of sin and of death"?
and i am rather appalled at the misapplication of certain scriptures to justify weakness
Nobody is trying to justify weakness. Stop bearing false witness.
That is EXACTLY what you are doing and then you go accusing me of your SIN. You Are misusing scripture to justify your sins...this is obvious. Shame on you..
you are simply wrong...
1 John 3:7-15
King James Version (KJV)
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
are you going to now try and prove the most blessed John wrong? Go ahead and try...
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
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