Posted on 07/12/2012 10:33:02 AM PDT by fabian
There is a power and technique that the church has missed. The quiet stillness where real salvation is gifted to us effortlessly is real prayer. Please find it so we can all fight for our nation and right much more effectively!
Posts 116-118 explain at length why you're wrong about what John said. You need to stop getting spiritual direction from the guy who sells exercise equipment on YouTube.
Well, this is a new insight ... on what besides the Bible do you base your argument?
Why won't you tell us on what besides the Bible you base your argument?
Well?
That guy is with the exercise invention is I! Hello! And all real Christians main source of truth is the same source that the authors of the bible had...the holy spirit. You even asking me that question shows that you are not really connected well to it.
You do not know what you are writing...I never mentioned a voice. You just want to be right. that is your problem. It’s about you and defending your position more than the truth. Take care, Fabian
Well stated.
Pick that nit.
Whatever..
1Jn 3:5 You know that he appeared to take away sins, and in him there is no sin.
1Jn 3:6 No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.
1Jn 3:10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.
Heb 5:14 But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil.
John did not say practice in his quote that we cannot sin once we are born again. The seed of the holy spirit is powerful...yet christians deny it! Sad.
Educate yourself: "In Greek when the present tense occurs it can be understood in a number of ways, one of which is the habitual present. [...] the habitual present refers to events which occur over and over again repeatedly." - http://www.faithalone.org/magazine/y1990/90march2.html
Another excuse for sinning. John and many other places in the bible make it clear that the holy spirit conquers the need to sin. No more dark spirit, no compulsion to sin. I am sorry you feel the need to try and make that not true...I am sure partly because you somehow still love your own sins.
Another excuse for sinning.
Understanding the original Greek is an "excuse for sinning"? I'll just let that statement speak for itself.
Romans 7-8 make it clear that Paul had the Holy Spirit but was sinning.
Whatever..keep excusing away your sins with the bible. John lived with Jesus and he said...
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God
He is correct and I no longer sin, it is not hard.
It does not mean cannot practice sin..he clearly means the seed of God simply is too powerful for anyone filled with it to even desire to sin! You and your ilk are part of the apostasy...painful to admit but you are.
Wow. I guess the Apostle Paul wasn't born again. I guess he, even though he was the example the Corinthians were to follow (1 Cor 11:1) was a bad example. After all, he freely admits: "For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. " (Romans 7: 14 - 17)
Paul was still filled with sin...and DID it.
He goes on in Verse 19 - "For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do."
Sounds like Paul is still sinning. Too bad you weren't around 2000 years ago to give him advice about prayer and being born again!
As far as Mary going and sinning no more...or being angry and sinning not...there are written in the imperative mood. That means they are COMMANDS. Commands are made by one party to another and are meant to be followed. HOWEVER, by NO MEANS is there anything implied by the imperative mood that it WILL be followed by the recipient.
"Clean up your room!" Is an imperative. It means my son should clean his room. And it means my son WILL clean his room if he's obedient and sins not. However, it doesn't guarantee his room will be cleaned and if he fails to clean his room and sins (dishonors his father)...he will still be my son.
If sinning NO MORE AT ALL was what Paul and John has meant...they would have written this in the indicative mood...which is the mood of certainty....not the imperative mood...which is the mood of possibility.
Please...Please...Please actually study the scripture. And this isn't just me...but every theological scholar going back eons...and Greek scholar...regarding 1 John 3:8/9...
It is VERY clear from the entire context of 1 John...in conjunction with Pauls words in Romans 7...and with the fact the Greek renders "hamartanein" CLEARLY...and also in unison with Romans 6:1.
It means the act of habitual sin as if we aren't impacted by our salvation. Same concept is found in Romans 6:1...where Paul is speaking to CHRISTIANS. "Shall we continue in Sin so grace may abound?" Implying that beleivers CAN. NO! is the answer. It is a process of sanctification. Again, John is clear in 1:8...you deceive yourself if YOU say you have NO sin. Paul says HE STILL has sin.
It all has to line up without contradicting itself...and frankly...your interpretation fails that standard. You cannot get around Romans 7 and Paul's confession.
Ooops. I think you just sinned....and still are. Let's see if I can be a legalist too.
"You and your ilk are part of the apostasy..." - How should we handle "apostates?" "If any man doesn't obey our word by this epeistle...note that man...have no company with him...yet count him NOT as an enemy...but admonish him as a brother." (2 Thess 3:14, 15). Saying "of your ilk" violates that and is Sin. God will not honor that."
July 8th - "O my gosh....this is betrayal." - Gosh is the same as God. It's a cheap way around using the real word...usually by leagalists. It violates the command to not use the Lord's name in vain (emptiness).
July 4th: "yeah...what kind of BS is this! " - WOW! I think we all know what you meant. So...how do you justify that? Is this not filthy communication out of your mouth (Col 3:8)? Would you not consider this corrupt communication (Eph 4:29) since it doesn't edify. Would it be considered filthy talking (Eph 5:4)? Seems rotten to me...
June 5th - "wow, and you are for freedom? you are sounding like a real jerk." - Hmmm...see above verses. But if this person was a believer...FOUL. If this person was an unbeliever...FOUL. "Let your light so shine before men..." Matt 5:16
June 2nd - "Well, the truth is out! But they don’t give a shit...we need to take our nation back!" - WOW! See posts ABOVE. I suppose you don't sin anymore when you don't call anything sin. However...I have a VERY HARD time believing...no matter HOW you respond to this...that if Jesus Christ was to appear before you...and you two were walking and a field together...you would look down and say "Careful Lord...watch out for that big pile of fresh bull Sh*&! Look me in the keyboard and tell me you would say it just like that without the slightest hesitation. Then it's sin.
May 19 - "Yeah...free my ass."
May 4th - "Obama...you can kiss our rear ends!" - While a very popular sentiment, not Biblical. Paul and Peter both give us clear guidance about our leaders. None of which is to tell them to kiss it...
On May 14th you said - "We need to speak honestly and with love in order to be helpful" Yet I see post after post filled with anger, pride, insults. Now...you can certainly see plenty of that in mine as well...No cursing though...but lots of pride and the occasional hint that the person is a moron. However, I am not the person claiming to be without SIN!
I find this very sad. These are only a few of your posts going back a couple of months....and these are just your posts. What are you doing in LIFE? I think what is going on is you have a lack of conviction of sin...and that is dangerous. Believe me...it certainly isn't a lack of sin. The way you treat people is sin (and I am no way a hero in this regard). The way you speak is sin. It is not Glorifying to God. It is full of pride. You just lack conviction.
Thanks for doing the leg work on this.
I was about to start exploring what “sinless” posting looks like, you saved me the work.
Sin, by its VERY definition is missing the mark. There isn't some list and if you aren't checking the "sin" boxes you aren't sinning. No. Missing the mark is missing the PERFECTION of Christ.
I find it VERY hard to believe that Christ would post LIKE that...in THAT manner...using THAT language...with THOSE phrases to express His sentiments.
And THAT...by definition...is missing the mark.
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