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The Elephant in the Room: Mitt’s Mormon Faith [Which is why one-third still don't know he's Lds]
ThyBlackMan.com ^ | July 10, 2012 | Kevin M. Jackson

Posted on 07/11/2012 5:53:57 AM PDT by Colofornian

(ThyBlackMan.com) If you remember during the 2008 Presidential election, there was a strong effort to try to expose the faith of then Senator Obama. Many tried to label him an extremist because of his connection with the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright.

I am curious to know if Mitt Romney will receive the same type of treatment given the lack of knowledge that most Americans have about the Mormon faith. I think that faith must be on the table since it was a factor in the previous election. Perhaps the reason it has not be raised is because the GOP leaders know that up to 25% of their base absolutely will not vote for a Mormon regardless of his credentials.

Let’s take a look at some of the beliefs of GOP Presidential Candidate, Mitt Romney Mormon’s faith. All of the information provided was taken from the Mormon Faith Tenets.

According a Christian Post article,” What do Mormons Believe? Ex-Mormon speaks out, October 18, 2011 by reporter Devenish the following items were cited about Mormon beliefs:

I took the time to itemize some of the different beliefs that Mitt Romney believes in to show that he is not a perfect candidate just because he seemingly names the name of Christ. We have to be careful with the Trojan Horses the GOP sends our way in the name of religion.

I challenge all of the African American pastors to consider if they want to vote for someone who believes totally different from what they preach every Sunday. If you can vote for Mitt Romney with a clear conscience knowing his religious beliefs, his insensitive policies that do not benefit the African American community then go for it. If you have reservations, then you must consider our current commander and chief.

Staff Writer; Kevin M. Jackson


TOPICS: Other Christian; Other non-Christian; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics; Theology
KEYWORDS: beliefs; inman; lds; mittromney; mormonism
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To: IWONDR
Reading the mind of another Freeper is a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

21 posted on 07/11/2012 7:01:48 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: IWONDR

Mormons do not believe in the Trinity.


22 posted on 07/11/2012 7:02:01 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: muir_redwoods
There is nothing about the beliefs of Mormonism that strikes me as any stranger than the beliefs of other religions if one views them objectively.

Oh really? Check out the ritual that mormons must undergo in order to gain "exaltation" and sit next to their god in a made-up kingdom.

Pay attention to the "law of consecration" which Mitt has sworn to uphold, which dedicates everything he will ever have to the mormon church.

You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the Law of Consecration as contained in the Doctrine and Covenants, in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the Kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion.

LDS secret temple ceremony

Elite mormons, which Mitt is, can have their salvation guaranteed while they still live!

Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 305:

Calling & Election To Be Made Sure

Contend earnestly for the like precious faith with the Apostle Peter, "and add to you faith, virtue," knowledge, temperance, patience, godliness, brotherly kindness, charity [D&C 4]; "for if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ."

Another point, after having all these qualifications, he lays this injunction upon the people "to make your calling and election sure." He is emphatic upon this subject--after adding all this virtue, knowledge, etc., "Make your calling and election sure." What is the secret--the starting point? "According as His divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness." How did he obtain all things? Through the knowledge of Him who hath called him. There could not anything be given, pertaining to life and godliness, without knowledge. Woe! woe! Woe to Christendom!--especially the divines and priests if this be true.

Salvation is for a man to be saved from all his enemies; for until a man can triumph over death, he is not saved. A knowledge of the priesthood alone will do this.

Bruce R. McConkie, Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, 3:325-353.

But in the most express and proper usage of the terms, "The elect of God comprise a very select group, an inner circle of faithful members of the Church.... They are the portion of church members who are striving with all their hearts to keep the fulness of the gospel law in this life so that they can become inheritors of the fulness of the gospel rewards in the life to come.

"As far as the male sex is concerned, they are the ones, the Lord says, who have the Melchizedek Priesthood conferred upon them and who thereafter magnify their callings and are sanctified by the Spirit. In this way, 'They become the sons of Moses and of Aaron and the seed of Abraham, and the church and kingdom, and the elect of God.' " (Mormon Doctrine, 2nd ed., 217.) See Commentary 2: 267-269, 271-278, 283-285.

[4] What is meant by making an election sure?

It is with election as with calling: the chosen of the Lord are offered all of the blessings of the gospel on condition of obedience to the Lord's laws; and they, having been tried and tested and found worthy in all things, eventually have a seal placed on their election which guarantees the receipt of the promised blessing.

[5] What is meant by having one's calling and election made sure?

To have one's calling and election made sure is to be sealed up unto eternal life; it is to have the unconditional guarantee of exaltation in the highest heaven of the celestial world; it is to receive the assurance of godhood; it is, in effect, to have the day of judgment advanced, so that an inheritance of all the glory and honor of the Father's kingdom is assured prior to the day when the faithful actually enter into the divine presence to sit with Christ in his throne, even as he is "set down" with his "Father in his throne." (Rev 3:21.)


I don't know of any other religion with such beliefs.

23 posted on 07/11/2012 7:03:13 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Until the 52K LDS missionaries claiming Christian faith is bogus quit, I will post LDS truth.)
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To: Colofornian

Thanks for the info. All of the Mormons I know are fine, upstanding, scandal free, citizens. This makes me think Romney would make an outstanding president.


24 posted on 07/11/2012 7:03:28 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: IWONDR

Mormons do not believe in Grace.


25 posted on 07/11/2012 7:03:47 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: IWONDR
So exactly how does a ex-Mormon know less about Mormonism than an active one...

On just one point alone in your post I have been told by ACTIVE Mormons on this very forum that the Trinity does not exist, it was made up by man.

The Mormon interpretation does not very SLIGHTLY from the Christian, it clearly delineates between Christian Monotheism and older heretical Polytheism, a very big difference...

The rest of the points are equally valid...

26 posted on 07/11/2012 7:07:18 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: IWONDR

Mormons do not believe in the original sin of man.


27 posted on 07/11/2012 7:07:36 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: IWONDR

Mormons do not believe in Hell.


28 posted on 07/11/2012 7:09:13 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Vaquero
Hey . Why not start a thread in the Religion Forum about those two belief systems, it could be interesting. This thread is about mormonISM.
29 posted on 07/11/2012 7:09:52 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: norwaypinesavage

His politics not withstanding...


30 posted on 07/11/2012 7:16:08 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Colofornian

And don’t forget Obama and the commie Demorats will go after Romney for his church history of discrimination against blacks.

It will take everything we have to get this Marxist/Muslim usurper out of our White House.


31 posted on 07/11/2012 7:16:51 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: svcw
Hey . Why not start a thread in the Religion Forum about those two belief systems, it could be interesting. This thread is about mormonISM.

I acknowledge but reject your thesis....this thread is about politics masquerading as religion...

32 posted on 07/11/2012 7:17:22 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Salvation is for a man to be saved from all his enemies; for until a man can triumph over death, he is not saved. A knowledge of the priesthood alone will do this.

Bruce R. McConkie, Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, 3:325-353.
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Well that doesnt leave any room for a belief in the soul saving Blood of the LORD Jesus Christ that He shed on the Cross for us does it ???


33 posted on 07/11/2012 7:22:03 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: svcw

I thought this thread was about how Mitten’s faith was an “elephant in the room” regarding his qualifications for President of the United States. Frankly, I can’t see how someone who does not believe in Grace, vs. someone who does, would decide to ban some kinds of guns (or not), or push for a flat tax, or prosecute Wall Street crimes such as those committed by Jon Corzine and Jamie Dimon, or go after the people involved in Fast and Furious. Etc.

Perhaps you or another on this thread can enlighten me how such metaphysical beliefs could amount to the elephant in the room, as regards these questions. As far as I can tell, it makes no difference, and for that matter, I don’t see much difference in the way Romney would respond to the issues I raised, vs. Obama. (E.g. signing an “assault weapons” ban as he did.)


34 posted on 07/11/2012 7:26:24 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: muir_redwoods

I agree with your conclusion and note that this country has among its many values as provided under the Constitution, freedom of religious belief. I don’t belief as Mr. Romeny does, but unless he would attempt to impose his religious beliefs on me or others, that is, and should be, irrelevant to the presidential race. Any attempt by him to force his beliefs on others in his capacity as President would violate the First Amendment, in my view.

That does not mean that his religious beliefs have no impact on his policy positions, but that is true of anyone. Is there anything about his Mormonism that would take away from important policy positions regarding: the economy, foreign affairs, immigration, etc.? That would be a valid discussion, but to attack Romney, or anyone, on account of his faith strikes me as wrong-headed.


35 posted on 07/11/2012 7:26:45 AM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: Vaquero

So Mormonism is political?

Well don’t tell them that, they deny it every time...


36 posted on 07/11/2012 7:30:31 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22
"His politics not withstanding..."

Not withstanding what?

Romney is a right of center Republican who supports:
Killing ObamaCare
Lower tax rates
Energy Independence
Life for all unborn children
American Exceptionalism
Strong Military

You don't like these?

37 posted on 07/11/2012 7:33:40 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: ejonesie22
So Mormonism is political? Well don't tell them that, they deny it every time...

no...I said the article was political...you can tell by the title ‘The Elephant in the Room: Mitt's Mormon Faith (Which is why one-third still don't know he's Lds)’

38 posted on 07/11/2012 7:38:27 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Colofornian

You are so boring that you make this webiste boring.


39 posted on 07/11/2012 7:50:14 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Colofornian
The ten tribes of Israel will return back to Missouri.

Which two tribes won't be there and where are they going?

then you must consider our current commander and chief.

He had me until he said that.

I'll consider Virgil Goode, thank you.

By the way, he's the Commander in Chief, not and

40 posted on 07/11/2012 7:54:13 AM PDT by Graybeard58
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