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1 posted on 07/04/2012 2:07:53 PM PDT by NYer
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The Shroud of Turin: Facts and Fiction

2 posted on 07/04/2012 2:09:27 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: NYer

I prefer to believe.

That is all.


3 posted on 07/04/2012 2:25:58 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: NYer

Does it surprise anyone He who created time and space should have complete mastery of physics?


4 posted on 07/04/2012 2:29:13 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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The scholar recalls that “The Shroud contains no traces of putrescent liquids or gases (these marks start to appear about 40 hours after the person’s death, so the body had disappeared from the shroud before then[.]

Two errors here. First, Ps.16:10 says that his body did not see decay, so forensic evidence of decay would not exist at any time interval. Second, the first errant assumption leads to a false timeline of forty hours or less. Christ died, descended into hell and rose again on the third day; seventy two hours. Other than that, interesting.
6 posted on 07/04/2012 2:35:37 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (I'm for Churchill in 1940!)
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“The AMA theory tells us nothing, except that the body dematerialised inside the Shroud and instantly materialised again somewhere else, either dead or alive.”

“Schrodinger wept” ping

7 posted on 07/04/2012 2:44:58 PM PDT by Salamander (I wanna hurt you just to hear you screaming my name.)
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Years ago upon reading the Greek used to describe the empty tomb as told in the Bible, I concluded that Jesus simply left the wrappings, without unwrapping them, just as He left the seal tomb without rolling away the stone. My personal theory is that He did this by shifting the temporal location of His body, so that He was immeiately ‘out of phase’ with our planar present. As God He can walked anywhere along the time line, just as He appeared to Moses ont he Mountain, and visited the three boys int he furnace, and wrote on Belshazzar’s wall without bringing His entire body int the palace present. Our current state of sensing is limited by the processing of past events made sense of by the mind of ur soul. We process nothing int he present of the event because it takes time for data to reach us and be recorded for mental ‘assignment’. ... There is a realm of reality no further away than the length of a man’s arm, yet it is completely beyond our sensing as we exist now. But ‘when we see Him, we shall be like Him’


15 posted on 07/04/2012 2:59:03 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: NYer
The shroud is REAL. Definitive evidence of the miracle of His resurrection. NO DOUBT. The evidence is overwhelming. The FALSE statements about the shroud are also overwhelming, which is the intent of those nay sayers. There is a logical explanation for every piece of false evidence. The actual evidence can't be disproved.

Forensic evidence such as spores, molds, seeds, flowers, all from area and time of the crucifixion. Human blood. A negative image made before photography was invented. No paint, or pigments used to make the image, a 3 dimensional image. Carbon dating (as accurate as Obama’s released birth certificate) samples taken from the most contaminated areas of the shroud (corners, edges) and from non original cloth used to make repairs to the shroud.

The period correct type of burial cloth. Not an article of clothing. It is a LONG sheet, laid down lengthwise. The body is placed on the sheet, and then the rest of the sheet is drawn back over top of the body. NOT WRAPPED, like a mummy.

Blood on the shroud at the head, (crown of thorns), at His side (“They will look on the one they have pierced.”), at his wrists and ankles (But he was pierced for our transgressions, ...... and by his wounds we are healed).

And on and on the evidence goes. Off the top of my head, this is the best I could do. It is a fascinating study.

To you skeptics I would say:

Isaiah 53:4-6 New International Version (NIV)

4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Accept Jesus as your Savior, today. Ask any Christian how to go about it. Where you will spend your eternal life depends on it.

16 posted on 07/04/2012 3:11:34 PM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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Shroud of Turin ping - nothing really new


17 posted on 07/04/2012 3:13:00 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: NYer

The Holy Shroud is very moving and amazing when seen up close. And you can see a backlit, precise replica at the Catheral of the Holy Cross of Jerusalem in Rome. It is not well-known or crowded even though the relics on display are breathtaking. The main columns in the church date to AD 400.

St. Helen traveled to Jerusalem in AD 343 and brought back the relics on display.

A nail from the Holy Cross.

Two thorns from the Crown of Thorns

A piece of wood from the Holy Cross

A piece from the Cross of the Good Thief

Half of the inscribed board from the Holy Cross


18 posted on 07/04/2012 3:15:49 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....The days are long, but the years are short.....)
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“The only phenomenon in Physics that can lead to the complete disappearance of mass, producing an equivalent energy is the process known as matter-antimatter annihilation (AMA).

An entire body annihilated by anti-mater would release enough energy to vaporize all of the middle east.

The “annihilation theory” also satisfies the criteria of previous theories: “Indeed, only a small portion of the energy from the dead matter is released, while the body is completely annihilated and reappears almost exactly as it was before even outside the Shroud.”

Beam me up Scottie. What is he talking about.

22 posted on 07/04/2012 3:33:20 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: NYer

We look for proof while God only desires faith.


23 posted on 07/04/2012 3:33:31 PM PDT by right way right (What's it gonna take?)
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To: NYer

The glorified body of the risen Christ passed through the fabric of the shroud that first Easter Morning the exact same way it passed through the walls of the room where the disciples were hiding out when He entered the room without entering through the door.

Luke chapter 24 and John chapter 20 KJV.


25 posted on 07/04/2012 4:10:43 PM PDT by Tucker39 ( Psa 68:19Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits; even the God of our salvation.KJV)
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To: NYer

I do not need the shroud to believe but it is nice to have it available for non believers. OIF vet


32 posted on 07/04/2012 7:52:58 PM PDT by jesseam (eliev)
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To: NYer

I believe the Shroud was left here by Christ for those who would need it; just as Thomas needed to actually see the nail holes in His hands.

I don’t need the Shroud to believe, but I’m grateful He left it and I find it comforting to know it is there for us.


33 posted on 07/04/2012 8:24:00 PM PDT by Melian ("Where will wants not, a way opens.")
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To: NYer

As one lady on my Shroud pilgramage tour said, this is Star Trek stuff...


70 posted on 07/08/2012 9:58:34 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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