[Zionist Conspirator]

Nah, we Catholics stick to the literal translation of the 'words of institution' because Jesus actually SAID them, his Apostles HEARD them, then WROTE THEM DOWN IN THEIR LIFETIMES. That is quite a bit different from someone writing down an oral tradition from several hundred to a thousand years beforehand. And it is my understanding that what Moses is supposed to have written was the Law handed down to the Jews, after they were led out of Egypt, NOT the story of Creation.

First of all, you obviously didn't even read my post. I said that G-d dictated the entire Torah, including the first eleven chapters of Genesis, to Moses letter-for-letter. It did not come from some hoary old oral tradition but from the Mouth of G-d Himself.

Anyone who can believe in magical babies and supernatural women throwing the sun around can believe in all the events of the first eleven chapters of the Torah. The reason Catholics do not is because the first eleven chapters of Genesis form a sociological demarcation between Catholics and American Fundamentalist Protestants (whom Catholics apparently despise more than abortionists).

You don't seem to understand that even if one doesn't take the story of Creation absolutely literally, that is, its occurrence over 6 HUMAN days, one COULD believe quite strongly that God created all that is in the Universe. We believe He is Lord of all, that He brought about many signs and wonders in the Ancient world, and even if all of them didn't happen exactly as it is written in the Bible, since many were described later, by people who received the stories many generations removed, they were inspired by the Holy Spirit, and written to teach the lessons that God wants us to know. And finally, that He loved us so much, even after we'd turned away from Him many times, sent Jesus to be our Redeemer.

I was right. You didn't read my post. The Torah (including the first eleven chapters of Genesis) was not "inspired by the holy spirit" at all. It was dictated to Moses letter for letter. There was no ancient oral or written tradition involved. The whole thing was dictated to Moses and written down by him at G-d's dictation.

If you are not going to read my arguments, please don't respond to me again.

[SuziQ]

I read your arguments, I simply disagree with them. Not everyone agrees with the idea that Moses sat down every day and played stenographer for God. Just the fact that there are varying descriptions of Creation and of the Flood argue for different authors, possibly at different times.

I think it much more likely that it was written down, over the years, especially during the Diaspora in Babylon, for the Jews to remember from whence they came, and teach the following generations, since they had been removed from their land.

It doesn't threaten my belief in God, or the truths that He has given to us, if it's possible that every single word of the Old Testament might not be the literal truth. Jesus told us Parables as a way to drive home the lessons he wanted us to learn. Quite possibly, some of the stories in the Old Testament are 'parables' in their own ways. Does it make their lessons any less true?

As I said, I disagree with you, but that doesn't make me any LESS Christian than you.