To: Mach9
Protestants did create the greatest nation that man has ever created though, so when you point out imperfections like a British town hanging a few witches before the United States even existed, you don’t need to smear America.
15 posted on
06/13/2012 4:57:05 PM PDT by
ansel12
(Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
To: ansel12
Christians created this greatest of all nations. Protestants disagreed with each other every bit as much as they disagreed with Rome which may well be why religious freedom ranked so highly. But, as of this moment, it seems only the Roman Church is still interested in protecting that particular freedom.
Lastly, if you can read ‘smear[ing] America’ into anything I’ve written here or anywhere else, you really may need an interpreter for scripture.
18 posted on
06/13/2012 5:33:00 PM PDT by
Mach9
To: ansel12; Mach9
Balderdash, it wasn't just a "protestant creation".
If one considers just Founding Fathers then There were no Baptists among the Founding Fathers --> there were
- Church of England/Episcopalian: 28
- Presbyterian: 8
- Congregationalists: 8
- Lutherans: 2
- Dutch Reformed: 2
- Methodists: 2
- Catholics: 3 (C. Caroll, D. Caroll & Fitzsimons)
- Deists: 7 (including Thomas Jefferson
So perhaps since there were no Baptists, should one consider as per your statement that they did not create this nation?
Furthermore, there were 3 Catholics and
- Evidently you never heard that Maryland was founded for providing religious toleration of England's persecuted Roman Catholics?
- Evidently you never knew that John Caroll had initially been a priest before devoting himself to the Revolution?
- Evidently you never heard of Fr. Pierre Gibault who pledged the support of the region of S-W Indiana to the USA (to Col. George Rogers Clark)?
- Evidently you never heard of the accomplishments of John Barry, a native Irishman who captained a number of ships during the war. Barry was the first to capture a British war vessel on the high seas; he also was wounded in a sea batter yet captured two British ships and fought the last battle on the seas of the Revolutionary war. He was George Washington's choice for commander of the US navy -- he was issued Commission Number 1 by Washintong and was not only the first American commissioned naval officer but also it's first flag officer
- Evidently you've never heard of the Marquis de Lafayette, a Catholic or the Polish captain Tadeusz Kosciuszko and both were key in the Revolutionary War?
- Evidently you never heard of Casimir Pułaski, a Pole who led Washington's cavalry and died in the battle for Savannah
- Evidently you never heard of the Catholic Philadelphia merchant Stephen Moylan who became Quatermaster General of the Continental Army?
- John Caroll says this about Catholic participation in the Revolutionary war (remember the country was only 1.6% Catholic):"Their blood flowed as freely, in proportion to their numbers, to cement the fabric of independence as that of their fellow citizens. They concurred with perhaps greater unanimity than any other body of men in recommending and promoting from whose influence America anticipates all the blessings of justice, peace, plenty, good orders, and civil and religious liberty"
The religious freedom fought for was also religious freedom for Catholics from Protestant England, hence the Catholic volunteers and support from Catholic Irishmen, Frenchmen and Poles.
So please don't say that Catholics were not involved in the creation of this nation -- this nation which got it's independence from a Protestant nation after all....
51 posted on
06/14/2012 2:34:31 AM PDT by
Cronos
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