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Amillennialism 101 -- Jesus Christ: The True Israel
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Posted on 06/07/2012 8:38:38 AM PDT by Gamecock

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1 posted on 06/07/2012 8:38:46 AM PDT by Gamecock
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Awaiting the usual suspects to hurl false accusations of Replacement Theology in 3, 2, 1....


2 posted on 06/07/2012 8:40:56 AM PDT by Gamecock (I worked out with a dumbbell yesterday and I feel vigorous!)
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To: drstevej; OrthodoxPresbyterian; CCWoody; Wrigley; Gamecock; Jean Chauvin; jboot; AZhardliner; ...

I really can't pin down my end times positions, but I thought this provided some good insights. Hope you find it usful as well.

3 posted on 06/07/2012 8:44:02 AM PDT by Gamecock (I worked out with a dumbbell yesterday and I feel vigorous!)
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To: Gamecock

What is Replacement Theology?


4 posted on 06/07/2012 8:50:08 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: Gamecock
Gamecock, you and I have compared our scriptural interpretations to the question Who Is Israel? on other occasions. We are both students of the Word. I admire your gift of writing. This article is very well done. I have discussed the “single seed” vs the “seed that is as many as the stars and the sand” many times.

Oh P.S. the gospel preached to Abraham was that all the nations would be blessed/nivrauchu MIXED! so Abrahams seed would be mixed in all the nations...THAT IS THE GOSPEL! Now to those in traditional Christianity you will have no idea what Gamecock and I are talking about. I just had a missionary in my Bible Study yesterday break down in tears after she heard the “gospel that was preached to Abraham” Galatians 3:8 and the GOSPEL that Jesus preached. Hint...Jesus didn't preach about his death, burial, and Resurrection. The TRUE Gospel hasn't been preached for 2000 years. The “church” hasn't a clue. Gamecock, you and I and about 500,000 other Believers are delving into the Truths of what the Bible says, not what man says and we understand the Gospel of the Kingdom and how it plays out in the last day. Keep digging :) and so shall I.

5 posted on 06/07/2012 9:02:18 AM PDT by ladyL
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To: stuartcr

It is the idea that The Church has replaced National Isreal.


6 posted on 06/07/2012 9:04:21 AM PDT by AceMineral (Will work for money.)
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To: stuartcr

“What is Replacement Theology?”

A straw man! In this case, used by those who do not understand the concepts of fulfilment or completion.


7 posted on 06/07/2012 9:07:04 AM PDT by Diapason
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To: AceMineral

Thanks, I’ll try to figure out what that means.


8 posted on 06/07/2012 9:12:03 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: Diapason

Thanks, I’ll try to figure out what that means also.


9 posted on 06/07/2012 9:13:18 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: Gamecock
Jesus Christ: The True Israel

If he is Israel,
is he no longer YHvH,
the creator of the universe ?
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
10 posted on 06/07/2012 9:43:15 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Gamecock

So.

First, bflr for later reading.

Second, my current strongest distinction for dispensational teaching is that:

Israel = the unfaithful, whoring, divorced wife of God the Father.

The church = the unmarried, betrothed, Bride of Christ.


11 posted on 06/07/2012 9:59:56 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Gamecock
What a waste of time. 1 John 3:23 says, "And THIS is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment."

I have yet to see a commandment telling us to figure out future prophecies.

12 posted on 06/07/2012 10:00:39 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: Gamecock

These arguments that the millenial prophecies were fulfilled during Jesus’ earthly ministry neglect to take into account the millenial prophecies in Revelation, issued after his earthly ministry was over, which match up quite nicely with the OT prophecies.


13 posted on 06/07/2012 10:03:39 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

Good question. On a related note, if Jesus is Israel, then how can he be the bride and the bridegroom at the same time?


14 posted on 06/07/2012 10:09:28 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Gamecock

Awaiting the usual suspects insisting buried somewhere in the Scriptures that Jehovah certainly made a covenant of grace and or works with man and a covenant of redemption between the Father and the Son. I mean it’s right there somewhere, plain as day, in err, ahem, the Old Te.., I mean New, I mean the booook of, hum,...


15 posted on 06/07/2012 10:17:02 AM PDT by fatboy (This protestant will have no part in the ecumenical movement)
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To: Boogieman

Yes, too.

Like my #11.


16 posted on 06/07/2012 10:25:14 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank

God didn’t divorce Israel, but he did “put her away”. If you understand the distinction in the OT between the two things, it’s an important difference that clarifies a lot of confusion.


17 posted on 06/07/2012 11:27:03 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Gamecock
The ramifications for this upon one’s millennial view should now be obvious. If Jesus is the true Israel of God, and if the New Testament writers apply to Jesus those Old Testament prophecies referring to Israel as God’s son or servant, then what remains of the dispensationalist’s case that these prophecies remain yet to be fulfilled in a future millennium?

Everything...

Romans 8, 9, and 10 remain...The description of the Millennium in Revelation remains...The parables in the Gospels remain...Plus thousands of verses in the O.T. remain...

You can't knock out the Millennial reign of Jesus Christ with a few, 'what ifs'...

Dispensationalists, given their so-called "literal hermeneutic," are bound to interpret such passages literally, thereby assign the fulfillment of these prophecies of Isaiah to a future earthly millennium in which Israel co-exists with Gentiles under the reign of the Davidic king (See Walvoord, The Millennial Kingdom, 302-304; and Pentecost, Things to Come, 503-508). In effect, this amounts to the restoration of the monarchy as Jesus takes his place on David's royal throne and rules the nations from this restored Israel.

Yes we do...unapologetically...

18 posted on 06/07/2012 11:57:02 AM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: Gamecock

That would be Romans 9, 10 and 11...


19 posted on 06/07/2012 11:59:18 AM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: ladyL
Oh P.S. the gospel preached to Abraham was that all the nations would be blessed/nivrauchu MIXED! so Abrahams seed would be mixed in all the nations...THAT IS THE GOSPEL! Now to those in traditional Christianity you will have no idea what Gamecock and I are talking about. I just had a missionary in my Bible Study yesterday break down in tears after she heard the “gospel that was preached to Abraham” Galatians 3:8 and the GOSPEL that Jesus preached. Hint...Jesus didn't preach about his death, burial, and Resurrection. The TRUE Gospel hasn't been preached for 2000 years. The “church” hasn't a clue. Gamecock, you and I and about 500,000 other Believers are delving into the Truths of what the Bible says, not what man says and we understand the Gospel of the Kingdom and how it plays out in the last day. Keep digging :) and so shall I.

Cant seem to find nivrauchu in my bible...Perhaps you could point it out...

There are many dispensationalists who would agree with you and the Gospel of Jesus Christ...Jesus was teaching a gospel to the Jews and Jews only that had nothing to do with his death, burial and resurrection...

Had the Jews accepted Jesus as their Messia, they would have gone on into the Kingdom with Jesus as their ruler and God...

The Jews (and Romans) killed Jesus instead...

And ultimately along comes Paul...And along with Paul comes the message from the risen Lord, Jesus that a new gospel is to take place...

A gospel to the Gentiles thru Grace and Faith of God...A gospel that allows the adoption of Gentiles into the Body of Christ...To become the Bride of Christ...

You have the two gospels down right...But you have them terribly mixed up...

However, that first gospel will again be preached to the Jews after the church is taken up and away...During the Great Tribulation...And it's called the 'everlasting gospel' in the book of Revelation...

20 posted on 06/07/2012 12:19:04 PM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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