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To: GiovannaNicoletta
Was Sarah, who gave birth to the child of promise, a Jew or Gentile? Was her son, Isaac, a Jew or a Gentile? Who did God use to create those who He calls the "children of promise" Was it a Jew or a Gentile?

6* Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 17* And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. 18* For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. 19* ¶ Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. 20* Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. 21* Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. 22* But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. (Galatians 3:16-22)

It has NOTHING to do with fleshly descent. All are concluded under sin. The promise is available to ALL that believe on the LORD Jesus Christ.

68 posted on 05/17/2012 8:58:47 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: nonsporting; GiovannaNicoletta
It has NOTHING to do with fleshly descent. All are concluded under sin. The promise is available to ALL that believe on the LORD Jesus Christ.

"Do not say to yourselves 'we have Abraham for our father', for I tell you God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham."

And so it was!

71 posted on 05/17/2012 11:47:42 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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To: nonsporting
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made

So the New Covenant was made with the Jews.

And to thy seed, which is Christ.

The promise was made to Abraham, and his descendants, the Jews. The Jews who accept Christ will reap the benefits of the New Covenant. There is nothing there that even hints at a spiritual "seed". So far, all we see are the words "Abraham's seed", which are the descendants of Abraham's son, Isaac.

Who is the following directed to?

“A Redeemer will come to Zion, and to those who turn from transgression in Jacob,” declares the LORD. 21 “As for Me, this is My covenant with them,” says the LORD: “My Spirit which is upon you, and My words which I have put in your mouth shall not depart from your mouth, nor from the mouth of your [a]offspring, nor from the mouth of your [b]offspring’s offspring,” says the LORD, “from now and forever.”"“Behold, days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the LORD. 33 “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the LORD, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the LORD, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.” (Jeremiah 31:31-34)

“My servant David will be king over them, and they will all have one shepherd; and they will walk in My ordinances and keep My statutes and observe them. 25 They will live on the land that I gave to Jacob My servant, in which your fathers lived; and they will live on it, they, and their sons and their sons’ sons, forever; and David My servant will be their prince forever. 26 I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant with them. And I will [b]place them and multiply them, and will set My sanctuary in their midst forever. 27 My dwelling place also will be with them; and I will be their God, and they will be My people. 28 And the nations will know that I am the LORD who sanctifies Israel, when My sanctuary is in their midst forever.”’” (Ezekiel 37:21-28)

Say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD, “Behold, I will take the sons of Israel from among the nations where they have gone, and I will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king will be king for all of them; and they will no longer be two nations and no longer be divided into two kingdoms. 23 They will no longer defile themselves with their idols, or with their detestable things, or with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their [a]dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. And they will be My people, and I will be their God." (Ezekiel 37:21-23)

Sounds like a people who will be brought back to their own land, forgiven of their sins, and cleansed. What land did God give the Church? Did God say that the Redeemer will come to the land He gave the Church and reside there among us? Where is our land? If none of that fits the spiritual body that is the Church, then who is it referring to? Have those promises been fulfilled? Is there a people who is currently living in a land, who are without sin, who is ruled over by David, and who have the Redeemer living in their land?

Now, we finally get to the Gentiles, after the four- fifths of the Bible that is about Israel.

I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew. (Romans 11:1-2)

I say then, they did not stumble so as to fall, did they? May it never be! But by their transgression salvation has come to the Gentiles, to make them jealous. (Romans 11:11)

But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the [h]rich root of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. (Romans 11:17-21)

So we see that the Church is not only not the "seed" of Abraham, if the Jews hadn't rejected Jesus, Gentiles would not have been offered salvation at all. The only reason that Gentiles have a prayer at eternal life is because the Jews are temporarily in a condition of being set aside, and as we know from the promises God made to them, three of which are posted above, they will be brought back into reconciliation with God and forgiveness and salvation.

We are not the seed of Abraham, we are street urchins who God graciously let into His home. We are spiritual participants of the New Covenant which was made with the Jews. The New Covenant was not made with Gentiles and it was not made with the Church.

And replacement theology is a demonic doctrine that cannot be validated by Scripture, and puts those who choose to believe it, in the face of all the mountains of proof that God is against it, in a condition of enmity with God and in a position of judgement.

I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you. (Genesis 12:3)

That's another promise God made to His chosen, covenant people, not the Gentiles. And it is still in full effect today. Replacement theologists who curse the Jews by denying God's promises to them have put themselves in a position of war with God. It's as simple as that.

74 posted on 05/17/2012 1:21:42 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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