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To: count-your-change
I’ll happily agree that ALL the promises to Israel are to be fulfilled and any not yet fulfilled will be. How?

The promises that Jesus Christ made to His nation Israel will be completely fulfilled during His millennial kingdom, after the Jewish people have been purified and brought to the end of themselves during the Tribulation and come to faith in Jesus as their Messiah. They will be made ready during the Tribulation to receive all the promises and blessings that God has said they will get.

If you know what that “sacred secret” is then the how would be clear also.

The "sacred secret" has absolutely nothing to do with God's dealings with Israel. Jesus Christ came in the flesh, died and rose again for the purpose of providing salvation to all who would make the choice to accept that free gift. That event is something completely and totally separate from God's program and plans and purposes for the nation Israel and the Jewish people.

There is nothing whatsoever in the Bible that would lead one to believe that because Jesus made it possible for Gentiles to come to Him for salvation that somehow means that He has thrown Israel away and is done with them. Not one letter of Scripture indicates that. True believers in Christ, the Church, are a spiritual body. Israel is a literal, physical nation to whom promises were made and to whom those promises will be kept.

But to take the view that the present day city of Jerusalem and Israel is or will become the nation of God demands the question of whether it will be under the same law covenant as ancient Israel or another covenant. Which shall it be?

As was explained in post 30, Israel will fulfill the New Covenant during the millennial kingdom.

121 posted on 05/18/2012 5:42:46 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta (In the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
I copied the whole paragraph since taking just one sentence out is somewhat clumsy.

“The promises that Jesus Christ made to His nation Israel will be completely fulfilled during His millennial kingdom, after the Jewish people have been purified and brought to the end of themselves during the Tribulation and come to faith in Jesus as their Messiah. They will be made ready during the Tribulation to receive all the promises and blessings that God has said they will get.”

The Jewish people and “His nation Israel” one and the same?

If not...How does one become part of “His nation Israel”

“The “sacred secret” has absolutely nothing to do with God's dealings with Israel. Jesus Christ came in the flesh, died and rose again for the purpose of providing salvation to all who would make the choice to accept that free gift. That event is something completely and totally separate from God's program and plans and purposes for the nation Israel and the Jewish people.”

But you just said the Jewish people would come to faith in Jesus as their Messiah (or God's anointed one)

Is that not true of all who gain salvation? Faith in Christ, accepting him as a sacrifice for our sis? And if that “sacred secret” has nothing to do with God's dealings with Israel then what does it have to do with? In deed, what is that “secret”?

“There is nothing whatsoever in the Bible that would lead one to believe that because Jesus made it possible for Gentiles to come to Him for salvation that somehow means that He has thrown Israel away and is done with them. Not one letter of Scripture indicates that. True believers in Christ, the Church, are a spiritual body. Israel is a literal, physical nation to whom promises were made and to whom those promises will be kept”

As Jesus said he came not to destroy the law but to fulfill it. And Jesus did give the Jews first opportunity to accept him by restricting his preaching to them.

So it was not his rejection the nation that made the way open for Gentiles but the nations rejection of him. They did not want him to gather them together as a hen gathers its chicks. Jerusalem was the “killer of prophets” whose house was abandoned to her and the kingdom taken from her to give to another “nation”. That certainly was a promise kept.

So how does one become part of this “literal, physical nation of Israel? By converting to Judaism?

“As was explained in post 30, Israel will fulfill the New Covenant during the millennial kingdom”

From the city of Jerusalem in the Middle East or from heaven?

122 posted on 05/18/2012 6:52:37 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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