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To: Colofornian

As always, its a circular discussion with you.

I have accepted Jesus Christ, just as I have said. He alone saves and has saved me. Good works follow them that believe, they do not make their faith and they do not earn them a spot in Heaven. They are a natural conclusion to the acceptance and following of Him.

A real conversion produces this. Christ said, “if ye love me, keep my commandments.” We believe that, but you confuse which comes first, the horse or the cart in LDS faith...in fact, as with many denominations, members get this wrong too.

We are not earning our way to Heaven Col, despite your protestations and declarative staements to LDS people to the contrary about what they believe, as though you can see in their hearts and make this determination. You cannot, only God in Heaven and His Son can.

No, we are not and cannot “earn” our way to Heaven. We are just trying, as He commanded us, out of our love for Him, to keep His commandments as we ubnderstand them.

Again, God’s blessings to you.


146 posted on 04/26/2012 10:35:31 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head
Your statement: I have accepted Jesus Christ, just as I have said. He alone saves and has saved me.

How do you reconcile that with the teachings of mormonism and the lds prophets?

April 8, 1973, LDS Apostle Mark E. Petersen proclaimed that salvation "comes only through the Church itself as the Lord established it. Therefore it was made clearly manifest that salvation is in the Church, and of the Church, and is obtained only through the Church."

"From the day that the Priesthood was taken from the earth to the winding-up scene of all things, every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are, I with you and you with me. I cannot go there without his consent" (Journal of Discourses 7:289).

The Book of Mormon says of salvation: "for we know that is is by grace that we are saved, after all that we can do" (Book of Mormon, 2 Nephi 25:23).

George Q. Cannon "If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by Joseph Smith; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him." -1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142, Apostle George Q. Cannon

Joseph Fielding Smith: "that which man merits through his own acts through life and by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.134).

Bruce McConkie: "Jesus kept the commandments of his Father and thereby worked out his own salvation, and also set an example as to the way and the means whereby all men may be saved" (The Mortal Messiah, Vol.4, p.434).

Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, pg. 153:"Each command we obey sends us another rung up the ladder to perfected manhood and toward godhood; and every law disobeyed is a sliding toward the bottom where man merges into the brute world"

154 posted on 04/27/2012 7:44:04 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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