[livius]

Not just one nutty sister, but 6 of the parish pastors have refused, actually. He needs to can them immediately.

But I don’t want to drag this thread away from its focus. I hope that it will be possible rescue some of the dysfunctional but not heretical orders by making them go back to their roots (prior to Vatican II, obviously). As for the others, who actually are disobedient, their doors should be closed immediately and they should have to go to the retirement homes of other religious orders. Because there’s nothing but gray hair among them. None of them have gotten vocations since forever.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Livius, I unerstand where you're coming from, but I don't think Abp Sartain can or should sack the pastors for not circulating the anti-gay-marriage referendum petition. Note that the pastors were told, correctly, that circulating the petition was not "under obedience." That's explicitly a political action and not within Abp Sartain's ecclesial bailiwick (though I myself would circulate the petition at the church door, and inform the pastor he can call the cops and have me arrested for trespassing if he likes.)

They ARE under obedience to teach doctrine. Abp Sartain would be right smack dab in the gyroscopic center of his authority if he told these pastors to preach about why sex between men or between women (or beween men and women who aen't married to each other) is morally wrong, forbidden by God. They could even throw in why the licensing of abnormal relations as "marriage" has a negative impact on the true secular, civil purpose of marriage, which is securing the normal conditions of procreation to protect the rights of dependents.

And if they don't or won't teach what the Church teaches, then these capon piests should be canned. Or, shall we say, reassigned to select vestment fabrics and run the Cathedral gift shop.