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[Why I Am Catholic]: Because I Love the Bible [Catholic and Open]
Patheos.comYIMCatholic ^ | August 30, 2010 | Frank Weathers

Posted on 04/16/2012 4:21:51 PM PDT by Salvation

Because I Love the Bible

Posted on by Frank Weathers
 

Here is a reason that answers the question posed by this blog daily that I’ve never written about yet. So here goes: I love the Bible. Well, duh, Frank you may be thinking, of course you do. Well, let me be more specific. I love the entire Bible and every single book therein, including all the books that Martin Luther tossed out during the Protestant Reformation.

I have some mechanical ability, which I have written about in this space once or twice. And I know a thing or two about removing parts from a motor, or adding them, for example. To make a long story short, you don’t remove parts from an engine, leave them off, and expect the motor to work. Remove a turbocharger from a diesel engine, for example, and you will have a motor than runs, but it will run like a sick dog with absolutely no torque. What’s the point of that?

Of course, the other possibility is that you can add parts to a motor in an effort to make it stronger. “Soup it up,” so to speak. Usually this results in some additional power and fun, but at the expense of the longevity of the motor. In other words, you might make more power, but you will probably wind up grenading the motor as well. Oops.

So when I was coming around to the idea of converting, see, I wanted to know what was the scoop on these “extra” books in the Bible. Like a mechanic, I was wondering if the Catholic Church had decided to throw some aftermarket parts onto the motor, if you follow me. You know, like adding a supercharger to a motor that was already strong.

So I grabbed my souvenir Catholic Bible, from my first failed attempt at RCIA class,  and I started looking at these mysterious books. As a result, I discovered some wonderful passages from books that were in the Bible that I had never heard of. Like the one from the first reading from Mass yesterday:

Sirach 3:17-18, 20, 28-29

My child, conduct your affairs with humility, and you will be loved more than a giver of gifts. Humble yourself the more, the greater you are, and you will find favor with God. What is too sublime for you, seek not, into things beyond your strength, search not. The mind of a sage appreciates proverbs, and an attentive ear is the joy of the wise. Water quenches a flaming fire, and alms atone for sins.

Um, not very scary, is it? As a matter of fact, don’t those verses make all kinds of sense? And there are 50 more chapters of this book to sink your teeth into.  Then I found these verses from the first chapter of the book entitled Wisdom,

Love justice, you who judge the earth; think of the LORD in goodness, and seek him in integrity of heart; because he is found by those who test him not, and he manifests himself to those who do not disbelieve him. For perverse counsels separate a man from God, and his power, put to the proof, rebukes the foolhardy; because into a soul that plots evil wisdom enters not, nor dwells she in a body under debt of sin. For the holy spirit of discipline flees deceit and withdraws from senseless counsels; and when injustice occurs it is rebuked.

Wow, I thought. Seek the Lord,  just like it says in Psalm 105, but with a twist for clarity.

For wisdom is a kindly spirit, yet she acquits not the blasphemer of his guilty lips; because God is the witness of his inmost self and the sure observer of his heart and the listener to his tongue. For the spirit of the LORD fills the world, is all-embracing, and knows what man says. Therefore no one who utters wicked things can go unnoticed, nor will chastising condemnation pass him by.

Of course! God knows all, sees all. GPS has got nothing on God. It says so right there in 1 Samuel 16:7.

For the devices of the wicked man shall be scrutinized, and the sound of his words shall reach the LORD, for the chastisement of his transgressions; because a jealous ear hearkens to everything, and discordant grumblings are no secret. Therefore guard against profitless grumbling, and from calumny withhold your tongues; for a stealthy utterance does not go unpunished, and a lying mouth slays the soul.

Again, there is nothing strange here. There was a lot of “grumbling” going on in Numbers(14:27), for example, remember? And the command to not lie? That’s right there in the Ten Commandments.

Court not death by your erring way of life, nor draw to yourselves destruction by the works of your hands. Because God did not make death, nor does he rejoice in the destruction of the living. For he fashioned all things that they might have being; and the creatures of the world are wholesome, and there is not a destructive drug among them nor any domain of the nether world on earth, for justice is undying.

I remember clearly thinking to myself after reading this particular passage, “where has this book been all my life?” No wonder I feel immortal, because, gulp (!) I was created to be immortal.  And then I realized there are 18 more chapters in this book too?

And so it goes, as I explored, and continue to marvel at, the wonders of Tobit, Judith, Sirach, Wisdom, Baruch, and 1 & 2 Maccabees. The passage in the New Testament that sealed the deal for me was when these verses in Hebrews chapter 11:32-35,

What more shall I say? I have not time to tell of Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, of David and Samuel and the prophets, who by faith conquered kingdoms, did what was righteous, obtained the promises; they closed the mouths of lions, put out raging fires, escaped the devouring sword; out of weakness they were made powerful, became strong in battle, and turned back foreign invaders. Women received back their dead through resurrection. Some were tortured and would not accept deliverance, in order to obtain a better resurrection.

Could only seem to be understood by referring to 2 Maccabees chapter 7:1, 13-14. Take a look,

It also happened that seven brothers with their mother were arrested and tortured with whips and scourges by the king, to force them to eat pork in violation of God’s law.

After he had died, they tortured and maltreated the fourth brother in the same way. When he was near death, he said, “It is my choice to die at the hands of men with the God-given hope of being restored to life by him; but for you, there will be no resurrection to life.”

And then I learned that all of these books had been in the Bible since the beginning of Christianity. They had been in the Old Testament, but got tossed when Luther decided to toss them. At this point, I had to concede three things. 1) I’m not a biblical scholar; 2) The Catholic Church, the institution that assembled the Bible, is the Authority, and further, it has the Authority to decide what books belong in the Bible and what books don’t; 3) These allegedly disputed books were in the Septuagint, which happened to be the authoritative Old Testament Canon in place while Our Lord Jesus Christ walked the earth.

At Mass today, for example, the gospel reading is from Luke and begins like this,

Jesus came to Nazareth, where he had grown up, and went according to his custom into the synagogue on the sabbath day. He stood up to read and was handed a scroll of the prophet Isaiah.(Luke 4:16-17)

What the passage doesn’t say, of course, is that He could possibly, on a different day of the week, or on a different day of the liturgical calendar, have been handed a scroll from Tobit, Judith, Sirach, Wisdom, Baruch, or 1 & 2 Maccabees. These books were in the scrolls too, when God walked upon the earth. I don’t know for sure, but like I said, I’m not a biblical scholar. Which is why I rely, again, on the authority of the Church.

So the mechanic in me was left with only one question to consider. As a Christian, did I want to go along with a stripped version of the motor, the one missing a few parts, with all of the pitfalls associated with that, or go along with the original version of the motor; the one that has all of the original parts, all in the proper place.

It really was not a difficult choice to make for me. Especially after I learned that Luther didn’t like the book of James or Revelation either. Lucky us, he left those in because leaving those “parts” out would have been like forgetting the oil sump pump and the oil pan.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: bible; catholic; septuagint
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To: sasportas
by making the church over into the image of the Roman Empire.

Exactly! Right down to their dress style, bow to man and kiss the ring!

81 posted on 04/18/2012 11:56:11 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name
"GOD'S WORD ALONE REIGNS, JESUS IS THE WORD."

Jesus is the Logos. That does not translate simply as "word" or even words. He is so very much more than what you can glean from carefully selected versus of St. Paul.

What ever your motivation, let your actions be done in love. If your will is to do that of the Holy Spirit ensure that the Fruit of the Spirit is clearly evident in it.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law." - Gal 5:22-23

"The Excellence of Love"

"If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing."

"Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things."

"Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part; but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away. When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things. For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known. But now faith, hope, love, abide these three; but the greatest of these is love." - 1 Corinth 13

82 posted on 04/18/2012 12:11:05 PM PDT by Natural Law (If you love the Catholic Church raise your hands, if not raise your standards.)
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To: Natural Law
Jesus is the Logos. That does not translate simply as "word" or even words.

There is NOTHING " simply " when speaking of JESUS!

p>Don't quote Scripture unless it REIGNS with you because that's only 'using' it for your agenda!

Now back to the response that seemed to ruffle your feathers.

Love them enough to tell them the TRUTH. GOD'S WORD ALONE REIGNS, JESUS IS THE WORD

83 posted on 04/18/2012 12:34:20 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: daniel1212

I have posted on FR in the past, but it has been quite a while. Left with no choice for POTUS but a Muslim, a Mormon, a Catholic, or an apostate Protestant, I haven’t had much enthusiasm for things political. A depressing state of affairs, the way I see it.

Then the FR religious forum with its total domination of Catholic themed threads, doesn’t help much. For a conservative site, its disproportionate flood of RC threads certainly doesn’t reflect the truth. Conservative Protestants outnumber by far in this country the paltry percentage of conservative Catholics.

So, yes, I haven’t made FR posts in a while. On this thread, however, for what its worth, I threw in my two cents.


84 posted on 04/18/2012 12:46:35 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: Biggirl

I have to tell this because I am so proud of our town.

There is a well known and well respected and loved man who is dying of prostate cancer and he had been in Chicago receiving some new treatment that didn’t work and he doesn’t have long to live. I think he’s only about 55.

His wife was home because she has osteoporosis and had broken her pelvis. She couldn’t get there to be with him as he is dying and they couldn’t afford to fly him home for 17K on a medi-flight. Our home town bank immediately gave them a loan and put out the SOS for donations and raised 22K in 1 1/2 hours.

Now for the rest of the story. He got home Monday. He was raised Catholic and became Baptist about 20 years ago. Yesterday he called for the priest to come and give him Last Rites. I am sure that I’m not the only one who asked God to give him that gift but God answered ASAP.


85 posted on 04/18/2012 1:06:43 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Biggirl

I have to tell this because I am so proud of our town.

There is a well known and well respected and loved man who is dying of prostate cancer and he had been in Chicago receiving some new treatment that didn’t work and he doesn’t have long to live. I think he’s only about 55.

His wife was home because she has osteoporosis and had broken her pelvis. She couldn’t get there to be with him as he is dying and they couldn’t afford to fly him home for 17K on a medi-flight. Our home town bank immediately gave them a loan and put out the SOS for donations and raised 22K in 1 1/2 hours.

Now for the rest of the story. He got home Monday. He was raised Catholic and became Baptist about 20 years ago. Yesterday he called for the priest to come and give him Last Rites. I am sure that I’m not the only one who asked God to give him that gift but God answered ASAP.


86 posted on 04/18/2012 1:06:43 PM PDT by tiki
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To: sasportas

That thou sayest is true. But as the Empire declines, the focus must be on the body of Christ being the alternative, and unlike the world.


87 posted on 04/18/2012 1:14:37 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a damned+morally destitute sinner,+trust Him to forgive+save you,+live....)
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To: tiki

I’m not surprised at what this apostate Baptist you mentioned has done. Signs of these apostate times. Enough to make fire brand stalwarts like John Wycliffe, the Anabaptists, John Huss, John Knox, and Ian Paisley, turn over in their graves.

A great many of these Baptists and Evangelicals wouldn’t know the truth if it hit them in the face. Sad to say, most of what is preached in Protestant pulpits nowadays is milk toast.


88 posted on 04/18/2012 1:24:52 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: presently no screen name
"Don't quote Scripture unless it REIGNS with you because that's only 'using' it for your agenda!"

Jesus reigns with me, Scripture is but a reflection of Him. I will continue to quote that reflection everytime it is relevant and profitable, thank you.

"Now flee from youthful lusts and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart. But refuse foolish and ignorant speculations, knowing that they produce quarrels. The Lord’s bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged, with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will. 2 Timothy 2:22-26

89 posted on 04/18/2012 1:29:57 PM PDT by Natural Law (If you love the Catholic Church raise your hands, if not raise your standards.)
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To: sasportas

Even now, the Catholic population is growing in the USA and it is not as paltry as you say.


90 posted on 04/18/2012 1:32:47 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Natural Law
Jesus reigns with me

Jesus is The Word. You can't separate what is ONE.

Scripture is but a reflection of Him

GOD'S WORD is NOT a reflection! Reflections aren't alive and don't have power. Don't think you can EVER reduce it away. It ALWAYS was and will ALWAYS will be!

"For the Word of God is alive and powerful. It is sharper than the sharpest two-edged sword, cutting between soul and spirit, between joint and marrow. It exposes our innermost thoughts and desires".

91 posted on 04/18/2012 1:47:40 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: daniel1212

**And while the RC has great liberty to interpret Scripture**

We are not YOPIOS critters, sorry.


92 posted on 04/18/2012 1:56:08 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: daniel1212
And for your education:

The Rites of the Catholic Church [Catholic Caucus]
One and Many Churches (origins of the Church)
THE RITES OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH -- There are many!
(Cardinal) Newman on Rites and Ceremonies

93 posted on 04/18/2012 1:57:22 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: daniel1212

This post must come from a Proetestant or other denominational website, for it, too, uses ‘RCC’.

Unlelarned blokes aren’t they?


94 posted on 04/18/2012 1:58:55 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: presently no screen name; sasportas

This Roman Empire thing is hilarious. the Romans killed Christ for the Jews.

In no way is the Catholic Church any part, or was it any part of roman government. Under Roman government, Catholics were killed by Romans, no less.


95 posted on 04/18/2012 2:01:55 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: tiki

What a great testimony and story.

Peole on their deathbeds, somehow recognize their mistakes and call for the priest.

Another person saved!


96 posted on 04/18/2012 2:04:45 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
the Romans killed Christ for the Jews.

Wrong. Everyone that ever lived did - He died for all because all need salvation. The Romans weren't doing any favors for the Jews - how wrong to even repeat that deception.

The Romans couldn't do squat to JESUS.. . "Do you think I cannot call on My Father, and HE will at once put at My disposal more than twelve legions of angels?" Matt 26:53

You seem to forget JESUS came, specifically, to die for all.

97 posted on 04/18/2012 2:35:45 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Salvation; boatbums; metmom; svcw; caww; smvoice; presently no screen name; sasportas; ...

Then you must have closed your eyes when Catholics contrive to support their traditions, in which the parameters of Rome, which rarely has infallible interpreted verses (how many being a matter of interpretation), yet allows such things as one RC contending that Ps. 93:1 teaches geocentrism and another heliocentrism, or that no one else but Jesus and Mary are said to be “highly favored,” “full of grace,” (Lk. 1:28) while another sees that in Acts 6:8; (cf. Eph. 1:6), or that 1Cor. 3 is speaking about purgatory, and another only uses it to affirm that fire consumes, or for one to contend that Rv. 12 cannot be speaking about Israel and another believe it is (at least primarily) etc.

And the lack of comprehensiveness or perspicuity of the magisterium not only allows disagreement about Scripture, but about what certain teachings of the magisterium mean, such as whether Lumen Gentium means sincere former RCs like myself can be saved outside formal submission to Catholicism, as well as multitudes more things that are not clear or not officially addressed.

And you yourself provided an example of this, as the “great liberty to interpret Scripture” (even with a magisterium) comes from a far more noted apologist than yourself:

“The liberty of the Scripture interpreter remains extensive. Taking due consideration of the factors that influence proper exegesis, the Catholic Bible interpreter has the liberty to adopt any interpretation of a passage that is not excluded with certainty by other passages of Scripture, by the judgment of the magisterium, by the Church Fathers, or by the analogy of faith. That is a great deal of liberty, as only a few interpretations will be excluded with certainty by any of the four factors circumscribing the interpreter’s liberty” Jimmy Akin,, Catholic Answers (http://archive.catholic.com/thisrock/2001/0101bt.asp)

Meanwhile, rather than a free for all, evangelical-type denominations and churches for whom Scripture is paramount typically have their own magisterium (as does Rome) and overall affirm the Apostle’s Creed and or Scripturally substantiated conflating statements defining who God is and what Christ did and related basic truths, especially the primacy of Scripture and salvation by grace to save the damned and destitute sinners, (vs. some hope in earned credits and or the power of the church), under the premise that Scripture is infallible, and which magisterium typically requires assent of these truths by members.

And which common consent is manifest, among other ways, in a shared contention against those who deny these common essentials (“cults”), as well as against certain traditions of Rome.

These evans also manifest a great degree of transdenominational fellowship, but do differ in many things and have formal divisions, but so does Catholicism, the differences being a matter of degrees, while under sola ecclesia is seen the greatest aberrations, as this is what cults effectively operate under (the “Living prophet” and the WTS being as infallible popes).


98 posted on 04/18/2012 2:47:01 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a damned+morally destitute sinner,+trust Him to forgive+save you,+live....)
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To: Salvation

The second apparently comes from an Orthodox man. As for as RC, as said, it is often necessary to specify. Do you object to any use of term “Roman church?”


99 posted on 04/18/2012 3:40:11 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a damned+morally destitute sinner,+trust Him to forgive+save you,+live....)
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To: presently no screen name; sasportas

Pope Boniface VIII:

“It is I who am Caesar; the Sovereign Pontiff is the only King of the Romans”, as he rode thru the city, carrying sword, globe and sceptre. (”Rome and its story”, p. 241, by Welbore St. Clair Baddeley, Lina Duff Gordon)

“To the succession of the Caesars came the succession of the Pontiffs in Rome. When Constantine left Rome, he gave his seat to the Pontiff.” – Lablanca, Professor of History, University of Rome.


100 posted on 04/18/2012 3:45:14 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a damned+morally destitute sinner,+trust Him to forgive+save you,+live....)
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