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1 posted on 04/06/2012 7:26:17 AM PDT by Petrosius
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I heard this "fourth cup" story yesterday on Catholic Radio. FASCINATING!
Live and learn. It's SO wonderful to continue learning more and more about my faith.
2 posted on 04/06/2012 7:41:42 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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bump for later


3 posted on 04/06/2012 7:42:17 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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You can download a free mp3 podcast of this talk here:
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http://catholicmentoday.org/2009/01/07/the-fourth-cup-by-dr-scott-hahn.aspx


4 posted on 04/06/2012 8:32:33 AM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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I read this nearly ten years ago and found it one of several influential pieces that brought me into the Church, along with all things EWTN and the Journey Home.

The network is doing the job of the Church by the grace of God here, in the United States.

The work they do has stood in the gap for God, while the American heirarchy of leadership was on vacation, seen trying to look like protestants as far as they could push it.

No kneelers, or kneeling rails
No veils
No religious habits
No genuflecting
No St. Michael prayer following Mass
No recollection prayers before Mass
No silence in Mass
No Latin
No Gregorian chant
No traditional hymns
No smoke
No bells
No Tridentine Mass
No adherence to Rubrics
No traditional catechesis
No centerpiece Tabernacle
In exchange, we got protestant behaviors to piety.

Yes, to bobbing heads, or no acknowledgement at all
Yes, to spaghetti straps and cleavage; shorts
Yes, to men in shorts and flip flops
Yes, to whole groups of dissident nuns in ordinary dress
Yes, to centering prayer, yoga
Yes, to the labyrenth
Yes, to getting into the aisles first at dismissal
Yes, to popular phrased songs with guitars and drums
Yes, to lay women over religious women and men as extraordinaies
Yes, to the gymnasium style nave and sanctuary
Yes, to out of sight Tabernacle, separated, or off to the side walls
Yes, to the backs of priests and extraordinaries to Jesus in the Tabernacle
Yes, to tromping back and forth with no bow before the Tabernacle.
Yes, to the highjacking of piety and beauty

I hope all this changes back at a faster pace than it all fell.

We are, however, obligated to pray against and to rail against dilution, dissolution and dissent.


5 posted on 04/06/2012 8:57:50 AM PDT by RitaOK (LET 'ER RIP, NEWT.)
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To: Petrosius

Thanks for this. Scott Hahn has brought such wonderful insight and knowledge of the Bible to our faith.


6 posted on 04/06/2012 9:18:31 AM PDT by Jvette
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**For instance, why is that Jesus happened to be wearing a seamless linen garment at the cross, when just coincidentally that’s what the priest was legislated to wear when he sacrificed the Passover? **

I had forgotten this fact!


8 posted on 04/06/2012 11:44:10 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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The Fourth Cup
The Last Supper and the Forgiveness of Sins
Benedict XVI’s sermon for Holy Thursday Mass of the Last Supper (Catholic/Orthodox Caucus)<
The Mandatum of Love (meaning of Maundy Thursday/Holy Thursday) [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
The Significance of Holy Thursday
Holy Thursday Evening Mass of the Lord's Supper
A Christian Passover Seder for Holy Thursday (or tonight)

The significance of Holy Thursday (institution of the Eucharist and priesthood)
Holy Thursday: The God who Washes Feet
Holy Thursday and the washing of the feet [Mandatum]
The Hunt for the Fourth Cup
Great and Holy Thursday [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
Maundy Thursday, Holy Thursday, Shire Thursday
Holy Thursday
Maundy Thursday
HOMILIES PREACHED BY FATHER ALTIER ON HOLY THURSDAY IN 2004 AND 2005.
Paths to Rome: Washing of Feet on Holy Thursday

Washing of the Feet on Holy Thursday And More on Days of Abstinence
Reflections for Maundy Thursday: The Carrying of the Cross
Past Not Over (Why Passover is the most widely observed Jewish holiday.)
The Chrism Mass
Celebration of a Family Seder Meal
Washing the Feet of Men Only on Holy Thursday
ALTAR OF REPOSE - Catholic Liturgy for Maundy Thursday
Catholic Caucus: Maundy (Holy) Thursday
The Fourth Cup: The Sacrament of the Eucharist [Holy Thursday] [Passover]
Holy Thursday - When the moon is full

10 posted on 04/06/2012 11:48:39 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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