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In other words you don’t have a clue as to what scripture teaches about the end times. Oh well, make sure your trust is in Jesus alone.

I never said I know everything about the end times, but since you have nothing else to offer in response to my replies other than a snide remark about perceived ignorance on my part, I'll take it as an unsaid agreement on your part that 1 Thess 4:16 clearly indicates the dead will be raised first, before all believers are "raptured" to Heaven. IOW, the notion of a mysterious whisking away of believers, before the very visible return of Jesus, and raising of the dead, is false.

Thanks for your "charity".

>>I never said I know everything about the end times<<

You sure were sure in post 13 however weren’t you. >> IOW, the notion of a mysterious whisking away of believers, before the very visible return of Jesus, and raising of the dead, is false.<<

Wrong! Those who are faithful believers will be ruptured to heaven prior to a seven year tribulation at the end of which Christ will return to the earth, which He doesn’t do at the rapture, to defeat Satan and the armies that come against Israel in the battle of Armageddon.