[HarleyD]

I myself also see the “rapture”- which term is derived from the text of the Latin Vulgate of 1 Thess. 4:17—”we will be caught up,” [Latin: rapiemur]) - as being the first resurrection, (Rv. 20:5,6) which is only for the saved,

I agree. There is no point to a "rapture". When the Lord returns *POOF* that will be that.

As for the rapture being a Protestant invention as cloudmountain points out, this Protestant would have to agree. The rapture is to Protestanism as a sinless Mary is to Catholicism. Both sound good but are simply an invention of man. Neither has any support in scripture. But the rapture isn't accepted "official" doctrine of all Protestants.

[cloudmountain]

HarleyD
John 21:25 There are, however, many other things that Jesus did; but if every one of these should be written no even the world itself, I think, could hold all the books that would have to be written. Amen."

So how do we learn about THOSE things? Apostolic Tradition. After all, the New Testament, as a book, didn't get put together until 420 A.D. And THOSE books were judged to be worthy and accurate by the Catholic bishops, the ROMAN Catholic bishops in Rome.

There is no line in Scripture that says that Scripture is the SOLE source of our teaching, but then, sola scriptura,is an invention of excommunicated Catholic priest, Doctor Father Martin Luther.

Father Luther did dump seven of the OT books (Tobias, Baruch, Judith, Wisdom, Ecclesiatics I and II, Macabees, seven chapters of the book of Esther, AND 66 verses of Daniel 3) and WANTED to dump the letter of St. James but his followers talked him into putting the letter of St. James BACK into "his" (his words not mine) New Testament.

I had an OLD friend (Reared Baptist, changed to Presbyterian because the Baptist church is her town (where she lived in as an adult) was not....well, not what she and her family wanted, read an excerpt from the Book of Wisdom at my husband's funeral. She called and said "Book of What?" We still laugh about that.

[smvoice]

Just to be clear, are you and Daniel saying that the Church the Body of Christ will be going through the tribulation? I’m not fully clear on what you both are saying..:)

[Salvation]

Good to hear your point of view here, thanks!