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To: annalex
I think, Apostolic order is one thing, pertaining to degrees of sanctity, but hypostatic union means consubstantiality and so is quite another, and is properly reserved to the Holy Trinity only...

All you say is valid. I copied uncritically from a _The Glories of St. Joseph_. I'm sure that you will find some contextual explanation therein that will make sense of this provoking statement.

-Theo

15 posted on 03/24/2012 12:59:28 AM PDT by Teófilo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org - A Catholic Blog of News, Commentary and Opinion)
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To: Teófilo
Well, I looked at Suarez and Giovanni di Cartagena quotes. Since Suarez is a respected theologian I am pretty sure the author of "Life and Glories of Saint Joseph" simply misunderstood him. The reference is made to a mysterious "[1]", but there is no [1] in the footnotes, -- there are no footnotes that I can see.

Padre Giovanni is less known; in fact I could only find a reference to him that is not taken from Thompson, in Italian. But it is interesting:

The Franciscan John of Cartagena (+1618) highlights that "this trinity of people has brought about our salvation: Jesus, as the author of salvation, Mary, as a mediator, Joseph, as a cooperator." (Google Translate)

Il francescano Giovanni di Cartagena (+1618) mette in evidenza come “questa Trinità di persone ha operato la nostra redenzione: Gesù, come autore della salvezza; Maria, come mediatrice; Giuseppe, come cooperatore”.

So to him, there is (I assume) the Holy Trinity and then a "trinity of persons", that only shares one person with the Holy Trinity, Jesus, but is otherwise a group of three people.

I think that Thompson took the term "order of hypostatic union", originally meant to indicate a varying degree of proximity to Jesus, to mean an absolute, not relative, hypostatic union of Jesus Mary and Joseph. To say that Mary and Joseph enjoy a special closeness to Jesus is to speak the truth; to say that this puts the three in a hypostatic union qualitatively different from the beatific vision all the saints share, -- is heresy. Does Thompson actually say the latter is not clear, but at least it would had been incumbent on him to clarify this point.

18 posted on 03/24/2012 9:20:13 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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