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Posted on 03/09/2012 10:46:28 AM PST by Quix
I'm a bit loathe to wade into such again. However, The Lord HAS brought to my awareness a couple of things this past week that kind of goad me into posting. I'm MORE loathe to allow Holy Spirit to go unrepresented on such scores on FR after the recent thrashing His works received on that other locked thread.
I'm NOT interested in going around and around with the more irrationally and unBiblically harsh posters on that other thread. They will likely arrive and rant as they did on that thread. I may or may not respond with pics and gifs. I don't plan to engage them with yet more futile words.
And, the chronically, habitually, generally carpy naysayers can just go suck rock candy or lolly pops. Their reaping is already scheduled. If they want to earn more of such from The Lord, that's their business.
I know the authenticity of Holy Spirit's gifts and workings in my own life. I have to be responsible to His interactions with me and leadings of me in my own life. And, as I feel led, to speak up in behalf of His gifts in this era.
I don't feel responsible to try and bore a hole and pour it in. And, I am not inclined to get two bricks and try and make the camel drink water. Doesn't work with women anyway.
That said . . .
I learned this week that the wife of a close relative of mine was miraculously healed in a Kenneth Copeland service. She had a serious case of . . . [serious]. . . cancer in advanced stages and was not expected to live. Her blood count was 5 but I don't know what aspect of her blood count was 5. Maybe I'll find out and post it later.
My relative had escorted her to the front row where she sat, unable to stand and looking like 'death warmed over' in extreme weakness.
Kenneth instructed his wife Gloria to go down and lay hands on her. She was immediately and totally healed. She went to the Doc for an already scheduled appointment the next day. He said there was no sign of cancer anywhere in her body and that he was dumfounded as he was never wrong.
As I understand it, the medical verification documentation is quite conclusive. She may even publish it all in her own narrative in due course. I'm not inclined to give more info for my privacy.
I think I learned that this last Tuesday evening.
Last Wednesday evening at church, Pastor related the following narrative.
She had been on a mission trip to Guatemala. In one of their gatherings in one of the poorest churches--a ramshackle tin building affair . . . a local church member began to give a message in tongues. This person had never learned English at all.
The woman spoke quite clear English and told of how God was going to give them a newer larger building much better for their church.
The woman had no idea what she had said. When Pastor's team told her what she'd said, she broke down almost in convulsions for joy and in humility over the Lord using her so to bring such a longed for message to her congregation. As I understand it, that did then transpire exactly as she'd declared in a language she did not know.
On the same mission trip, they went to a very wealthy church led by a Pastor who lived in a wealthy home with marble walls etc. Pastor visited the man's opulent home.
Holy Spirit spoke to Pastor and told her that the man was having an affair with his secretary and that Pastor must confront him and call him to repentance. Pastor has a very powerful prophetic gifting though is not per se a prophet.
Pastor told their local tour guide who was in personal relationship with all the pastors of the churches they visited--including this wealthy one. She replied to Pastor: "You'd better be right!"
Pastor confronted him and he admitted it. He did not repent but justified it with sleezey rationalizing that he was 'supposed to love the sheep.'
I felt when Pastor related the story that the man has since, rather soon after that, died but I haven't verified that even with Pastor. She may not know.
Great news on your relative. Praise God! HE is faithful and always the same.
Who is "blaming" God? Paul said he learned to be content in times of want, in whatever state he was in, and he learned the sufficiency of God's power and grace when he suffered and was weak. If we never had a problem, how would we learn patience? How would our faith grow if we always had every thing we needed and never knew sickness or pain? How would we learn to trust Him? How sad to shortchange God that we have to see his plans for our lives as "abuse" instead of chastisement and discipline - that proves we are HIS and that he is working in our lives. David knew loss, Job knew suffering, Abraham knew fear, Moses knew want and ALL of them are our examples of faith THROUGH those trials. Read Hebrews 11 if you really want to see God's purpose for suffering. He is NO fairy godmother or Santa Claus.
Possibly, but I was addressing Kandy. When one knows Him, one knows HE doesn't hold one good thing back from His children. However, we can get tangled up with receiving it. Not that we can, we do. And there HE is, again, helping us with that if we let Him.
Scripture says, "No good thing shall he withhold from those who walk uprightly". Sometimes, in God's time frame, sickness, want, need, suffering IS the "good thing" for us at that time. It is ALWAYS for our best, He works all things for good. Don't shortchange God.
Don't ask me.
Read Hebrews 11 if you really want to see God's purpose for suffering
Read it yourself. I KNOW my God, HIS WILL, HIS Purposes, HIS Promises which are Yes and AMEN.
He is NO fairy godmother or Santa Claus.
You have a pretty low opinion of HIM. He's God - He's in a class ALL by HIMSELF.
Here I am at post 86 and I see this thread is Part 2 a carry over from the last thread. I suspect we’ll be hearing before too long “Nobody’s listening to me” ...”I’m not being heard” etc. etc. etc. Same stuff, same emotional responses and snarky remarks right from the get go.
Perhaps this time around the truth will break thru, but the truth is not what the poster of the article is seeking IMO...so I don’t expect any change in the posts.
DON'T YOU!!!! And I'd appreciate it if you don't speak to me on what 'you think' about God on what HE does/doesn't do. He's MY God, that makes HIM personal to me. I KNOW HIM. His ways, His thoughts are higher than yours.
Are you sure that isn't 30,000 personal interpretations of Scripture?
Sheesh, you know who you sound like???????
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
PRAISE GOD FOR HIS FAITHFULNESS.
TRUE. TRUE.
Because Satan knows they are more dangerous to him and has diverted the focus onto less dangerous and more controversial matters. He’s convinced many in leadership positions that they should teach prosperity, healing, tongues, and all types of less dangerous to him matters. It’s a good way to get people to doubt both their faith and God.
Satan is getting desperate knowing his time is short and the diversions will grow stronger. The simple gospel of Jesus Christ and faith in Him alone is what is needed now more than ever.
Help yourselves.
I don’t know of anyone stopping you.
Evidently there’s some notches to be gained in one’s halo for throwing rocks at the gifts of Holy Spirit’s operations in this current era.
Or, even more likely, satan doesn’t appreciate the potency of such gifts of Holy Spirit operating routinely and fittingly in the New Testament era Church life and congregation.
By all means, start a dozen threads on the fruit of Holy Spirit. More power to you.
You won’t find me draging a train-load of gilded rocks to throw at such postings on such threads, either.
That covers it, of course, anyone who’s studied the Bible knows, there are oftentimes two different but correct answers.
Circumcision is one. Although the Gentile does not need to be circumcised, Paul circumcised Timothy in order to basically get their foot in the door with Jews.
Acts 16:1-3 says,
Paul came also to Derbe and Lystra. A disciple was there, named Timothy, the son of a Jewish woman who was a believer; but his father was a Greek. He was well spoken of by the brethren at Lystra and Iconium. Paul wanted Timothy to accompany him; and he took him and circumcised him because of the Jews that were in those places, for they all knew that his father was a Greek.
Yet in Galatians, Paul refuses to let Titus get circumcised.
I don’t like the newer translations, I prefer King James.
I don’t know of anyone stopping you.
Evidently there’s some notches to be gained in one’s halo for throwing rocks at the gifts of Holy Spirit’s operations in this current era.
Or, even more likely, satan doesn’t appreciate the potency of such gifts of Holy Spirit operating routinely and fittingly in the New Testament era Church life and congregation.
By all means, start a dozen threads on the fruit of Holy Spirit. More power to you.
You won’t find me draging a train-load of gilded rocks to throw at such postings on such threads, either.
Allow me to rephrase for clarity:
If you don't agree with me (Quix), you're doing Satan's work.
Hmm, doesn't sound so good when reduced to its essence.
If you choose to get bogged down in the quibbling about peripheral issues feel free but please don’t try to drag me into it.
Does Nana pray in tongues ???
Yes
Does Nana have to ???
No but I get to...
Has The LORD Jesus Christ ever healed Nana of anything drastic ???
Yes Cancer and a stroke and other things
Is Nana thankful to her God ???
Yes God is amazing and moves Nana to tears of joy...
Whats God done for Nana lately ???
Everything..
How do you tell the difference from what you claim is authentic gifts and that of the counterfeits satan does and has counterfeited today? What standard of testing is used in your church to discern these so called gifts as being authentic or not?
Asking this because there is no written accounts of people or the apostles going into uncontrollable twitching and rolling on the floor, nor of going into trances, or of the Apostles touching peoples heads and them falling over backwards............
On the contrary these outward behaviors 'are common occurrences' throughout the world among pagan tribes such as the Zulu's and other false religions of the eastern world, when they call on the spirits of their pagan Gods....in fact they commonly speak in tongues and belief they are speaking the languages of their pagan Gods.
We have to remember that Paul begins chapter 12 concerning the spiritual gifts in the Corinthian church, in that they were ignorant concerning these, and that as pagans lead astray by these very practices which they had brought into their worship in the church. They had made the focus of their worship the same as they were accustomed to before they were saved.....bringing these behaviors into the church was exactly what Paul was addressing and their abuses and ignorance of the gifts of the Holy Spirit as to that of a different Spirit...those they had been accustomed to calling on...they simply switched Gods but continued with the behaviors.
He states:...."Now concerning Spiritual Gifts..I do not want you to be ignorant. You know that when you were pagans somehow or another you were influenced and led astray to mute idols."
They were in fact 'cursing Jesus by the use of tongues' in which is why Paul warns and continues...." Therefore I tell you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says "Jesus be accursed"...which in fact was what they were doing for there was no order whatsoever within the Corinthian church....'they were carnal'.. seeking the ecstasy and emotional highs and confusion of what they had been accustomed to and practiced in the city of Corinth....
Interesting is to see this very same behavior today within many of these churches who focus on the spiritual gifts....their sevices are completely out of control and emotions run more than just high...they become tranced out and carry on something fierce. IMO this is not the Spirit of Christ Jesus....but something else altogether.
Indeed, that is true, however, neither does any parent who wants to raise mature, disciplined children cater to every whim and demand the children make on them.
God not withholding any good thing from His children does not equate to holding God hostage to giving us what we want because WE think it's good for us.
Luke 11:13 If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”
The good gift that God gives us is the Holy Spirit. Nothing else matters in comparison. But if God becomes nothing more than a giant pez machine, dispensing *good thing* (as WE think they are) to us on demand, well, any child raised like that becomes a spoiled brat with entitlement mentality, and that is EXACTLY what I've seen so many Christians in churches becoming.
The problem is is that materialism has become so rampant in the church today that people think they're entitled to perfect lives here on earth, that they have to have prosperity and health, and think that all that counts is physical comfort and physical blessing. They have totally lost sight of the spiritual aspect of it with their soul prospering.
When I said to a friend once that I considered this eating issue like the refiner's fire and that I saw it as something God was using in my life to draw me closer to Him, she said, "No, no, no, no,....." and rebuked that kind of thinking in typical name it and claim it fashion. That was until she went through her own health crisis and saw what God did in her through that instead of instantly healing her as she was demanding and *claiming*.
That will not be accepted by the name it and claim it crowd.
What they do with Hebrews 12:5-11 5 And have you forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons? “My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, nor be weary when reproved by him. 6 For the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives.”
7 It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline? 8 If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.
9 Besides this, we have had earthly fathers who disciplined us and we respected them. Shall we not much more be subject to the Father of spirits and live? 10 For they disciplined us for a short time as it seemed best to them, but he disciplines us for our good, that we may share his holiness. 11 For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
Charismatics disallow sickness as being the means of discipline and correction, but I have yet to see chapter and verse supporting that theology.
23 If, therefore, the whole church comes together and all speak in tongues, and outsiders or unbelievers enter, will they not say that you are out of your minds? 24 But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or outsider enters, he is convicted by all, he is called to account by all, 25 the secrets of his heart are disclosed, and so, falling on his face, he will worship God and declare that God is really among you.
Tongues is NOT a sign of anything for believers, certainly not a sign of salvation or filling of the Holy Spirit. That is wrong teaching because it directly contradicts what Paul teaches.
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