[aruanan]

“God alone has the last say in where and how the wind blows,” Piper said. “If a tornado twists at 175 miles an hour and stays on the ground like a massive lawnmower for 50 miles, God gave the command.”

And if he's going to be a theological determinist in the Calvinist tradition, what he says must also be true about each hemorrhoid that pops out and the exact number and depth of thrusts of the knife wielded by a serial killer or the steak knife of someone sitting in Ruth's Chris.

[johngrace]

ROFL! Thats Funny!

But I think he is talking about chastisement for the nation which our saints declare can happen.

[Mr Rogers]

“And if he’s going to be a theological determinist in the Calvinist tradition, what he says must also be true about each hemorrhoid that pops out and the exact number and depth of thrusts of the knife wielded by a serial killer or the steak knife of someone sitting in Ruth’s Chris.”

At the church I left a few years back, a Calvinist teacher said that if you pick your nose, it was because God, before time, decided He would make you pick your nose at just that moment.

So I asked, “Does that mean God makes us sin?” The teacher said yes. The pastor said no, but that the teaching could continue - which helped push me out the door.

As for tornadoes: God can undoubtedly send a tornado anywhere he wants, but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and sometimes a tornado is just fast moving air.

[Lee N. Field]

And if he's going to be a theological determinist in the Calvinist tradition, what he says must also be true about each hemorrhoid that pops out and the exact number and depth of thrusts of the knife wielded by a serial killer or the steak knife of someone sitting in Ruth's Chris.

Yup.

And the alternative is?