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To: Gamecock; marshmallow; drstevej; OrthodoxPresbyterian; CCWoody; Wrigley; Jean Chauvin; jboot
What amazes me is that very few Christians on this seem to actually believe in a sovereign Lord that controls the universe.

The reason we have calamity in our lives is so that we will return to the Lord. It isn't because of any punishment. It is simply that our hearts have hardened.

Judging by many of these posts, many still do not see the sovereignty of God to return to Him in this. We really have invented a god after our own image.

128 posted on 03/08/2012 6:05:39 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD

Good point Harley. Instead they ridicule Him.


132 posted on 03/09/2012 3:50:11 AM PST by Gamecock (Celebrating 17,149 replies of dubious quality!)
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To: HarleyD
We really have invented a god after our own image.

They want a god that caters to their feelings and their accomplishments and their desires. A god that follows them. It amazes me how much scripture twisting occurs to accomplish that. They don't realize that it is all about His glory, His worthiness, and our unworthiness. Only when we realize that and give Him the glory do we really get what we crave - peace with God through Christ.

134 posted on 03/09/2012 4:27:47 AM PST by lupie
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To: HarleyD
It doesn't amaze me anymore. It's not just this board, either. Many churches now shy from the soveriegn God of the Bible. If I had a dollar for every person who told me that they dislike the Old Testament I could start my own church.

IMO it's reflective of our culture. As a people we now take a dim view of stern fathers who discipline their children. Discipline, rigor and pleasure deferred are negative concepts. Fathers-if they are even taken into consideration at all-are expected to be "mommies with facial hair." God hardly comports with our modern gelded father-concept, so we must give Him a new image. A rebranded God for our shallow, superficial generation. Huggy Jesus, if you will. Huggy Jesus would never allow anything bad to happen to anyone, yet bad things happen, ergo Huggy Jesus isn't in control. He's watching from a distance, wringing His hands and hoping it all works out OK.

Phew...off the soapbox now.

138 posted on 03/09/2012 5:51:38 AM PST by jboot
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To: HarleyD

“”What amazes me is that very few Christians on this seem to actually believe in a sovereign Lord””

Catholicism believes God is sovereign,but we understand God can ONLY be sovereign good and only will good.God would be imperfect if He were to will any evil ,thus God would be moved and in error and lack the perfection of perfect goodness.

To believe in double predestination is to limit God to time where he somehow does not know free will decisions, or even worse, to think God creates life for the purpose of hell,thus sacrificing life for the devil and being subordinate to evil

The only reason for those who think they are already saved to believe that God predestined someone for hell is to think your own personal sin means nothing. If you keep sinning the same sins and think this way than you really don’t love the sacrifice of Christ but rather love the sin more than the sacrifice of Christ

Here is some Aquinas for you to ponder upon

That God cannot will Evil

EVERY act of God is an act of virtue, since His virtue is His essence .

2. The will cannot will evil except by some error coming to be in the reason, at least in the matter of the particular choice there and then made. For as the object of the will is good, apprehended as such, the will cannot tend to evil unless evil be somehow proposed to it as good; and that cannot be without error.* But in the divine cognition there can be no error . 3. God is the sovereign good, admitting no intermixture of evil 4. Evil cannot befall the will except by its being turned away from its end. But the divine will cannot be turned away from its end, being unable to will except by willing itself . It cannot therefore will evil; and thus free will in it is naturally established in good. This is the meaning of the texts: God is faithful and without iniquity (Deut. xxxii, 4); Thine eyes are clean, O Lord, and thou canst not look upon iniquity (Hab. i, 13).


147 posted on 03/09/2012 4:39:41 PM PST by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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