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To: Morgana
Is Communion denied to all sinners, or just gay ones? Because I didn't know that sin had a sliding scale, that some sins were worse than others. Is stealing more sinful than cheating on a spouse? Is being gay the sinniest?
20 posted on 02/29/2012 6:57:23 PM PST by turn_to
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To: turn_to
In order to receive communion you need to be in a state of grace. (In other words knowingly not violating the doctrine of the church.) Knowing that she is practicing a lifestyle that is not consistent with the doctrine of the church she should have sought a priest for confession before receiving communion.

Her doing so without receiving absolution is a grave sin against God and the sacrament of the Eucharist. (Communion)

25 posted on 02/29/2012 7:08:27 PM PST by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: turn_to
Is Communion denied to all sinners, or just gay ones? Because I didn't know that sin had a sliding scale, that some sins were worse than others. Is stealing more sinful than cheating on a spouse? Is being gay the sinniest?

I would suggest that you speak to your priest. In the Roman Catholic Church there are, in fact, different degrees of sin. I'm no theologian, but certainly stealing to, say, feed your starving children is less of a sin than cheating on your spouse. Thus, the wording of of the applicable Canons use the modifier "grave" in front of the word "sin" because some sins are in fact worse than others.

It's also telling that the woman went to the the unusual effort to confront the priest in the sacristy - where no one but the people actively involved in conducting the Mass should be - while he was in the middle of preparations for the Mass. That shows that she was quite obstinate in her sin.

Finally, if she went to that effort to tell the priest it seems pretty likely that it was "widely known to those present at the Mass."

I initially thought the priest had gone too far. But when I read that this woman entered the sacristy to introduce her lover it became clear that she was not victimized; in fact she deliberately set up a confrontation, using her mother's funeral to make a political point. Despicable.

27 posted on 02/29/2012 7:28:20 PM PST by RonF
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To: turn_to
Is Communion denied to all sinners, or just gay ones? Because I didn't know that sin had a sliding scale, that some sins were worse than others. Is stealing more sinful than cheating on a spouse? Is being gay the sinniest?

Don't be silly.
All mortal sins are equal, it's just that other serious sinners don't announce themselves before demanding communion. If the priest is not aware he has committed no fault or violation of his priesthood.
The auxilliary Bishop, on the other hand...

33 posted on 02/29/2012 8:10:43 PM PST by Publius6961 (“It’s easy to make phony promises you can’t keep.” - Obama, Feb23, 2012)
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To: turn_to

Not that you really want an honest answer, but here goes anyway.

In the Catholic church, and, I suspect in many other faith traditions, there is a concept of some sins being more grievous than others. The Church classifies these as “mortal” and “venial”, with mortal sin being the more serious.

A person who has committed a mortal sin is not to receive Communion unless he has first received absolution during Penance. One who has committed a venial sin is not so restrained.

The Church does not consider it a sin for one to be attracted to members of his same sex, but it is considered sinful to follow up on that temptation.

IMO, the woman in this incident went way beyond even acting upon her desires; she actually got in the priest’s face and announced her state of sin just to provoke a confrontation. She was reveling in her sinfulness and mocking God.


47 posted on 03/01/2012 7:38:05 AM PST by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: turn_to

“Is Communion denied to all sinners, or just gay ones?”

If the priest has personal knowledge that my soul is not in a state to receive Communion, he should not administer it (if he believes the Church teaching that God is present in the Host). For most sinners the priest doesn’t have that knowledge; this deviant shared it with him. Maybe they need to keep some unconsecrated Hosts available, to give these people a feeling of inclusion.../s

The American Catholic hierarchy has indicated they no longer believe in the Divine Presence when they administer it to people who bring public scandal to the Church, be they politicians or out-of-the-closet perverts. The American Catholics have in turn stopped attending Mass, believing anything, etc.


56 posted on 03/02/2012 3:04:55 AM PST by kearnyirish2
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