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To: fishtank

I am not Mormon. Nevertheless, I am troubled by anyone questioning anyone else’s faith. It is, after all, FAITH. I certainly recognize that what I believe, I believe by faith. I cannot prove it (if I could, I would). Mormons cannot prove it. No religion can. To question what others believe only invites a response in kind.

All of that said, I believe in Jesus Christ, the Son of God and Savior of the World (for those who will accept Him). And while I don’t have proof, among the best evidence of Christ’s divinity was His willingness to die when He could have avoided death by simply denying His divinity. Many of His apostles, who witnessed His resurrected person, suffered hideous deaths that they could have avoided by renouncing their faith. Had Christ not risen from the dead and appeared to them over many days, I cannot believe they would have willingly suffered as they did.

I’ll disagree with what the Mormons believe on some fronts, but I see no right or good in denying them their faith.


21 posted on 02/27/2012 10:08:31 AM PST by NCLaw441
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To: NCLaw441

i don’t see you telling people to be silent about the facts on any other religion...just this one

and frankly, i have no idea if you’re really a mormon or not...the first thing a mormon on fr does is say he’s not mormon

if there’s an advantage in a mormon lying about his faith, he is COMMANDED by lds doctrine, to lie...

when i was in the church, they explained that if someone questioned you on a matter that put the church in a bad light, you were instructed to lie, because if the church was negatively represented, it could prevent prospective converts from becoming lds, and it was a lesser sin to lie than to let a convert be lost to the church...

i corroborate...”Lying for the Lord”, source: MormonWiki

Lying for the Lord refers to the practice of lying to protect the image of and belief in the Mormon religion, a practice which Mormonism itself fosters in various ways. From Joseph Smith’s denial of having more than one wife, to polygamous Mormon missionaries telling European investigators that reports about polygamy in Utah were lies put out by “anti-Mormons” and disgruntled ex-members, to Gordon B. Hinckley’s dishonest equivocation on national television over Mormon doctrine, Mormonism’s history seems replete with examples of lying. Common members see such examples as situations where lying is justified. For the Mormon, loyalty and the welfare of the church are more important than the principle of honesty, and plausible denials and deception by omission are warranted by an opportunity to have the Mormon organization seen in the best possible light. This is part of the larger package of things that lead many to describe Mormonism as a cult. “Lying for the lord” is part of Mormonism’s larger deceptive mainstreaming tactics, and conversion numbers would drastically lower if important Mormon beliefs were fully disclosed to investigators.

(source: mormonwiki.org)


24 posted on 02/27/2012 10:22:12 AM PST by AnTiw1
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To: NCLaw441
I am not Mormon. Nevertheless, I am troubled by anyone questioning anyone else’s faith.

And yet later in your reply you CLAIM to be a CHRISTIAN??

Oprah has REALLY ruined you!!!


Acts 18:11
    So Paul stayed for a year and a half, teaching them the word of God.
 
 
 
 
 
Romans 15:4
 For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
 
 
Romans 16:17
   I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.
 
 
1 Corinthians 4:17
   For this reason I am sending to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.
 
 
1 Corinthians 11:2
 2.  I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings,  just as I passed them on to you.
 
 
Ephesians 4:14-15
 14.  Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.
 15.  Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.
 
 
2 Thessalonians 2:15
   So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings  we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.
 
 
2 Thessalonians 3:6
  In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching  you received from us.
 
 
1 Timothy 1:3-4
 3.  As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
 4.  nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.
 
 
1 Timothy 1:7
  They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
 
 
1 Timothy 2:7
   And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle--I am telling the truth, I am not lying--and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:1-2
 1.  The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
 2.  Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:6
   If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:11
  Command and teach these things.
 
 
1 Timothy 6:3-5
 3.  If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
 4.  he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 
 5.  and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
 
 
2 Timothy 1:13
  What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus.
 
 
 2 Timothy 2:15-17
 15.  Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
 16.  Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
 17.  Their teaching will spread like gangrene.
 
 
2 Timothy 3:16-17
 16.  All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
 17.  so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
 
 
 2 Timothy 4:3-4
  3.  For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
  4.  They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
 
 
Titus 1:11
   They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.
 
 
Titus 2:1
  You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.
 
 
Titus 2:15
  These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.
 
 
 Hebrews 13:9
 Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings.
 
 
 2 Peter 2:1-3
 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
 
 
2 John 1:10
  If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.



40 posted on 02/27/2012 10:58:41 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: NCLaw441
To question what others believe only invites a response in kind.

Bring it!

I'm quite sure I can handle it!

41 posted on 02/27/2012 10:59:25 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: NCLaw441

The lds-org denies that Jesus is the Creator, that everything was created THROUGH Him, BY Him and FOR Him.

They deny that Jesus created even the angels out of nothing.

They do NOT teach the truth about Jesus.

You said, "Nevertheless, I am troubled by anyone questioning anyone else’s faith. It is, after all, FAITH. I certainly recognize that what I believe, I believe by faith. I cannot prove it (if I could, I would). Mormons cannot prove it. No religion can. To question what others believe only invites a response in kind."

Unfortunately, this definition of faith has no objectivity, no certainty, and no reliance on truth, it is based only on feelings.

Faith in Christ is NOT so. He is a real, historical figure. His basic existence is an established fact. His miracles were documented by His followers, and His claims to Divinity earned Him a crucifixion death. All this is verified by history (see Josephus). The problem with the lds is that they have literally stolen the Name, and the Identity of Jesus Christ, and have constructed a completely false story for their religion.

The lds demands that their organization be accepted as a true Christian group.

No. That cannot happen. Truth is truth. The only charitable thing to do is to speak the Truth to individual mormons. They are in a burning house, and they need to be rescued. Letting them stay and burn is wrong.

47 posted on 02/27/2012 11:31:14 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: NCLaw441
"...but I see no right or good in denying them their faith."

I don't see anyone here "denying" mormons anything. Confronting mormonism's teachings, doctrine and theology is something quite different.

As you said, faith is up to each person. However, when a religion comes out and attempts to undermine the entire premise that billions of people have built their FAITH upon, it is our duty as Christians to challenge this "religion" in kind.

Mormonism changes, perverts and otherwise discounts the divine and eternal nature of God through the use of very similar words, but different definitions.

What I, as an ex-mormon and the others challenge is their doctrine, theology and teachings.

57 posted on 02/27/2012 12:59:52 PM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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