[savagesusie]

Faith determines belief in God. It is true that there can really only be agnostics without faith-—either in a God or in no God. Both take faith.

Dawkins is finally being honest— Atheism actually takes more faith than a belief in a Designer.

[cuban leaf]

—Dawkins is finally being honest— Atheism actually takes more faith than a belief in a Designer.—

Precisely. He may not know it, but he is destroying the mythicism about atheism.

A true atheist would make Stalin and Hitler look like pikers. A true atheist is his own God and realizes that even society’s norms are mere rules to follow to keep from spending time in prison.

A true atheist sees himself as the sole source of any moral code. There is a great Dean Koontz book where the lead character is a True Atheist. It’s called From the Corner of His Eye. And the character is evil personified.

[samtheman]

Atheism actually takes more faith than a belief in a Designer.

As usual, savagesusie, you go right to the heart of the matter.

You are 100% correct.

To say "I know with certainty that there is no god" requires a MUCH stronger faith than to say "I believe in God".