Posted on 02/17/2012 9:45:54 AM PST by SmithL
Lutherans in Minnesota plan to officially voice their opposition to the proposed state constitutional amendment that would ban same-sex marriage.
Close to 1,000 Lutheran representatives will vote on the issue on Friday at the annual assembly.
The resolution says the amendment would prevent one group of committed couples and families from having the same rights and protections afforded to all others.
In 2009, the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America assembly in Minneapolis passed a policy that moved toward a more accepting response to same-gender relationships.
The assembly also passed resolutions that allowed for congregations to support leaders within the ELCA in committed same-gender partnerships.
Since King David and Absalom were father and son, does that mean the ELCA believes in and supports homosexual incest as well according to that theory of “interpretation”(better called projection)?
Back in 2009, I thought that’s what would happen, but I really haven’t seen that come about. A few individuals, including myself, have crossed the Missouri, but I don’t think that the LCMS’s numbers have increased all that much. I’d be delighted if you had some numbers to prove me wrong.
For many former ELCA members, the issues of women clergy and close communion are deal-breakers with the LCMS.
Larry decided to spend a day at the track. Checking out the paddock, he noticed a priest laying his hands on a horse’s head and saying a prayer. He immediately went and placed a bet on the horse, which came in first.
Going back to the paddock before the next race, he again saw the same priest lay his hands on another horse and again say a prayer. Larry ran to the window and again bet on that horse. The horse also came in first.
Returning to the paddock, Larry saw the priest approach another horse. But this time he not only placed his hands on the horse’s head, but on his withers and fore-legs. Larry again ran to the betting window and bet all he had on the horse. The horse came in last.
Larry went into the paddock and, finding the priest, asked him how it was this horse placed last when the other two had finished first. The priest said “You protestants never could tell the difference between a ‘blessing’ and ‘Last Rites’”!
Told at a banquet last night by a Catholic buddy, who this Lutheran really appreciates for his jokes...
Former ELCA predecessor body. My grandparents emigrated from Sweden, so I started out in the old Augustana Synod. But when I was a kid, a lot of the Swedes were moving out to the suburbs of Chicago, we stayed in the city, and our little Augustana congregation disbanded. The closest Lutheran church was LCMS. That's how a Swede ended up in the Missouri Synod with all those Germans.
Back in 2009, I thought that’s what would happen, but I really haven’t seen that come about. A few individuals, including myself, have crossed the Missouri, but I don’t think that the LCMS’s numbers have increased all that much.
You are correct. It's been a trickle and not a torrent.
For many former ELCA members, the issues of women clergy and close communion are deal-breakers with the LCMS.
Those are the two primary issues where many ex-ELCA would still be too liberal to join the LCMS.
Not MY kind of Lutheran!!!! More and more I find myself wanting to eschew the word “Lutheran” altogether—if nothing else but to prevent anyone from confusing ELCA with LCMS again.
By the way, did any catch the name of one of the witnesses re: HHS birth control mandates?
Rev. Matthew Harrison, president of the LCMS.
Meanwhile, the ELCA already pays for contraceptives and abortions for their church workers.
LCMS for the win!
“Not only are they not true Lutherans, they aren’t even Christians. And yes, I can say this with authoritative certainty.”
Still, just as there are ‘catholics’ who support gay marriage, some members of the ELCA oppose most of what their church is doing. Not every single ELCA member is non-christian, but they need to get out lest their faith be threatened more and more.
I do not condemn all individual constituents of the ELCA, but you are absolutely right in saying that the ELCA is a non-christian body. Your authoritative certainty comes from the bible.
“Lutherans in Minnesota plan to officially voice their opposition to the proposed state constitutional amendment that would ban same-sex marriage.”
This was from a radio station, WCCO, well known in the Twin Cities.
Isn’t it interesting how news organizations are ready to investigate exhaustively stories involving certain kinds of people and ideas and others they simply take at their word. I grew up in the Twin Cities, listening to ‘CCO every morning for the weather, school closings, etc. To see that now they are willing to accept as truth whatever the ELCA tells them is truth ... sad.
“Lutherans” defending same-sex marriage is as logical as Jews, gypsies, JW’s, and Masons being in favor of the National Socialist Democratic Workers Party (NSDAP/Nazi). They aren’t Lutheran, they are post-Lutheran, post-Christian ELCA acolytes of pagan altars.
I saw a different slant, in the Chicago Tribune, in Nov. 2007. The article stated that a lesbian was ordained, in an ELCA church. The article stated, “Although the ELCA ordains gays, other Lutheran groups, Missouri Synod and Wisconsin synod, don’t ordain gays, because they follow scripture.”
I think it’s good if the ex-ELCAers aren’t going into the LCMS, at least not without completely discarding their liberal views supporting women’s ordination. I’m a PCA layman and I wouldn’t want former PCUSAers who join the PCA to bring their liberal views on that issue with them. It would only disrupt the churches they’re joining.
Excellent cartoon!(I’m a Calvinistic Superman fan). I would add to your analogy what the PCUSA is to Presbyterianism.
“So last night I read the book of Jude for the first time. It is a word for word literal description of what is happening to our churches in america.”
Indeed.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jude+1&version=ESVUK
Jude 1
English Standard Version Anglicised (ESVUK)
Greeting
1 Jude, a servant[a] of Jesus Christ and brother of James,
To those who are called, beloved in God the Father and kept for[b] Jesus Christ:
2 May mercy, peace, and love be multiplied to you.
Judgement on False Teachers
3 Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints. 4 For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
5 Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved[c] a people out of the land of Egypt, afterwards destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgement of the great day— 7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire,[d] serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.
8 Yet in like manner these people also, relying on their dreams, defile the flesh, reject authority, and blaspheme the glorious ones. 9 But when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, was disputing about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a blasphemous judgement, but said, “The Lord rebuke you.” 10 But these people blaspheme all that they do not understand, and they are destroyed by all that they, like unreasoning animals, understand instinctively. 11 Woe to them! For they walked in the way of Cain and abandoned themselves for the sake of gain to Balaam’s error and perished in Korah’s rebellion. 12 These are hidden reefs[e] at your love feasts, as they feast with you without fear, shepherds feeding themselves; waterless clouds, swept along by winds; fruitless trees in late autumn, twice dead, uprooted; 13 wild waves of the sea, casting up the foam of their own shame; wandering stars, for whom the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved for ever.
14 It was also about these that Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his holy ones, 15 to execute judgement on all and to convict all the ungodly of all their deeds of ungodliness that they have committed in such an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things that ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” 16 These are grumblers, malcontents, following their own sinful desires; they are loud-mouthed boasters, showing favouritism to gain advantage.
A Call to Persevere
17 But you must remember, beloved, the predictions of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ. 18 They[f] said to you, “In the last time there will be scoffers, following their own ungodly passions.” 19 It is these who cause divisions, worldly people, devoid of the Spirit. 20 But you, beloved, building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, 21 keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ that leads to eternal life. 22 And have mercy on those who doubt; 23 save others by snatching them out of the fire; to others show mercy with fear, hating even the garment[g] stained by the flesh.
Doxology
24 Now to him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you blameless before the presence of his glory with great joy, 25 to the only God, our Saviour, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and for ever. Amen.
Since the majority of Minnesotans favor traditional marriage, seeing the apostate ELCA come out against it will probably drive more people out of Babylon Central. Let us give thanks for that.
Minnesota leads the nation in the number of congregations that have emigrated. Everything the ELCA can do to increase that lead is all right by me.
I am so glad to be out of the ELCA. I’ve found a very good home in the Church of the Nazarene.
One of the reasons that the ELCA is so extremely liberal is the inclusion of former LCMS “progressive” dissidents. The most radical of the ELCA predecessor bodies was the AELC, which had split off from the LCMS following Seminex. Thanks to a constitutional quota system, the AELC contingent had disproportionate influence in the ELCA’s policies which set the Synod on a direct course for the shoals it now finds itself on.
Minneapolis-area Lutherans oppose marriage amendment
http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/139536313.html
I like that slant, if slant it can be called. I like it because it has the virtue of being both true and scriptural.
I’m not so sure that the AELC added that much more radicalism. The former LCA was just as radical and 30 times larger - at least on paper.
On the other hand, the impetus that led the Seminex crowd out of the LC-MS to form the AELC was the best ecclesiastical enema the Lutheran church ever received.
How long before image of Obama is on the ELCA altars?
I grew up LCA. I still remember confirmation classes and my pastor telling us not to show excitement by saying “Jumpin’ Jiminey!” since it was too much like Gemini, a false god.
The LCA certainly became a lot more liberal, but nowhere near as radical as the AELC. It was the quotas that gave AELC equal voice with the larger ALC and LCA bodies. And make no mistake, the quotas were always intended to make the new ELCA a lot more liberal than the ALC or LCA had been.
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