[DManA]

Every time the Church has meddled in temporal matters is has been a disaster. Maybe God is trying to tell them something.

[marshmallow]

The Church has to "meddle in temporal matters". It lives in time. It owns property. It has employees.

Moreover, even if the Church somehow found a way to not have to "meddle in temporal matters", history teaches us that Caesar will always be interested in meddling with the Church, for the simple reason that the Church's message is often incompatible with Caesar's message.

Caesar can't be ignored.

[TradicalRC]

Wherever the Church has been marginalized, there have been faor greater disasters, they called them socialist paradises, we called them gulags.

[TradicalRC]

Wherever the Church has been marginalized, there have been far greater disasters, they called them socialist paradises, we called them gulags.

[Salvation]

Are you saying that even the Didache, written by the apostles, is a disaster? It states emphatically "NO" on the abortion issue.....now that's a long time of history for the Catholic Church!!!

Excerpt from: The Didache (The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles) [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
What the early Church had to say about abortion
Church History: The Didache [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
Catholic Word of the Week: DIDACHE (Teaching of the twelve Apostles), 05-18-10
Early Christians and Abortion
The Time Capsule
The Didache or The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles
The Didache - The Lord's Teaching Through the Twelve Apostles to the Nations