Mormons' macabre Jewish baptisms won't benefit Mitt

South Florida Sun-Sentinel ^ | Feb. 4, 2012 | Rachel Patron

[Colofornian]

...I attended a luncheon for the Holocaust Museum...Each year I ask myself, Why am I here? ...Tis a gruesome tradition.

I think of my grandfather, Rabbi Jacob Meyer Rakowski... My grandfather was the...last — descendant of a rabbinic dynasty hailing back to 11th century France. At age 82, grandpa was gassed in Auschwitz, together with 47 members of my parents' families. I last saw him two years earlier, when my parents, my brother and I were deported to Siberia.

I'm retelling this old history because now, with Mitt Romney possibly becoming the Republican nominee, it's important to remember that his Church of Latter Day Saints, the Mormons, had most likely baptized my dead grandfather, a ritual they've been performing on 6 million dead Jews...

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So tell me truly, does my grandfather need to have his body snatched so he can be redeemed in a Kingdom of God he never wanted to enter?

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It's interesting to note the Catholic Church had outlawed this rite as early as the 4th century. But it was resurrected 1,500 years later by American Mormons. As a result, today we have an argument between Mitt Romney, Rabbi Jacob Meyer Rakowski, and me — his only surviving grandchild. Plus 6 million dead Jews.

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...they believe in choice, stipulating that any dead person can refuse to be baptized — but so far they'd heard no objections. (I kid you not.)

Every Jewish organization has begged the Mormons to stop. They promised to do so, but continue the practice. And they've never explained why they perform this necrophiliac aberration.

I therefore demand, for my grandfather and the rest of the dead, that Mormons immediately reverse all baptisms. They keep a great set of books and will have no problem to publish lists of un-baptized Jews...

[Elsie]

If the Mormons are right, then they are doing the Jews a service. If the Jews are right, then the Mormons do the Jews no harm.

MORMON translation:

SCREW your rituals!

OUR's are more important!

 

MORMON

ATTITUDES OF SUPERIORITY

 

  1. I’m Superior; I have a special gift of the holy Ghost -- you don’t!
  2. I’m Superior; I have God’s true priesthood power -- you don’t!
  3. I’m Superior; I can go in God’s secret Temple -- you can’t!
  4. I’m Superior; I’ve been Endowed with special Gifts and Knowledge -- you’re just normal!
  5. I’m Superior; I’ll have my family with me in heaven -- you’ll be with strangers!
  6. I’m Superior; I’m becoming a God -- you aren’t!
  7. I’m Superior; My women know their place as servants of man and yours don’t.
  8. I’m Superior; YOUR creeds are wrong because they come from man - mine comes from God (you can find each one printed in our Scriptures).
  9. I’m Superior; I don’t HAVE a creed - I’ve got 13 Articles of Faith.
10. I'm Superior; I have 4 "Bibles"-- the standard works (5 if you count the JST) -- you've only got one: in as far as it is translated correctly.
11. I’m Superior; I can lie with impunity about such things as church membership, church growth, church doctrine, church history, church influence, etc. —                           -- You can’t.
12. I’m Superior; I am right (everybody knows) when I say 'evangelical' Christians are lunatics -- 

                           -- You’re a hideous narrow-minded bigot, who is persecuting me by practicing discrimination by saying I'm not a Christian.
13. I'm Superior; I have a testimony about a prophet -- you don't.
14. I'm Superior; I have a Scripture-producing Amos 3:7 prophet -- you don't
15. I’m Superior; I have a Living Prophet who talks to god every day -- you have a dim-witted hireling of Satan who only talks to himself.
16. I'm Superior; I have my calling & election made sure -- you don't.
17. I’m Superior; I have magic underwear to protect me from the bogey man -- you don’t.
18. I’m Superior; I have secret clasps and grips to give the angel so I get admitted to the celestial kingdom -- you don’t ;so you can’t.
19. I'm Superior; I know secret handshake codes for afterlife entrances-- you don't.
20. I’m Superior; I will see Joseph Smith setting on the right hand of GOD, when I get to Mormon heaven, and he will recognize me and judge me favorably                              -- You’re on your own; when you get to wherever you’re going!
21. I’m Superior; I’m going to hie to Kolob -- you’re going to who knows where.
22. I’m Superior; I get to have a harem and act like a celestial stud for time and all eternity -- you don’t.
23. I’m Superior; I have sun stones, moon stones, sky stones, cloud stones, Saturn stones, and the evil eye of Osirus guarding my temple

                            -- You have nothing but a stupid cross.
24. I’m Superior; My church has billions in assets stashed away -- yours has taken a stupid vow of poverty.
25. I'm Superior; Last - we have the power to keep a whole race out of our priesthood if we wanted to reinsert our 148-year legacy  (we ARE still keeping an entire GENDER at bay!)

26.  I'm superior; I have the "higher law" -- everyone else "lives under the "lesser law' because I say so...(over and over).

 

 

Revision 46.5

Semi-Official creed of the EXclusive club of Freeper Flying Inmans.

All rights liable to be abused.

[Elsie]

Do you believe Mormons have some kind of magic power to affect your dead relatives' souls?

MORMONism has a DEMONIC power to affect souls that become entrapped in it!

[Elsie]

I don’t ascribe that much power to their farcical aquatic ceremonies.

It keeps a LOT of them off of the streets!

Sorry Ma'am; but you don't LOOK Jewish!

[Elsie]

Is this a liberal Jew somehow making fun of another’s religion - after first lamenting the holocaust?

Ha!

That's NOTHING!!

What about folks who NOW want to be know as 'christian' after their LEADERS have said, written, taught and believed the following??

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Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

 

 

 

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses

, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).

 

 

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).

 

 

 

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

 

 

 

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

 

 

 

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

 

 

 

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

 

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

[Colofornian]

You’re the one who posted this thread and have been filling it with paranoia about the Mormons knowing the names of your ancestors. Just own it.

You're the one who's posted these response posts and filling them with paranoia over this thread & my posts. Just own them.

[Colofornian]

Wow! 5 posts in less than 40 minutes...(some posters become more excitable over certain threads than others!)

[Elsie]

Like so many things having to do with Mormonism, the theology is bizarre, but they do mean well.

Praise ALLAH!!

An infidel who FINALLY understands!!!

[Zakeet]

[Dead dunking] does the Jews no harm ... it doesn’t matter.

Technically speaking, neither does digging up my ancestors' bones, using them in bizarre satanic rituals, and then peeing on them to extinguish the flames ... but I really wouldn't appreciate anybody doing that out of simple respect for my forefathers, if nothing else.

[ArrogantBustard]

No, I wouldn’t buy a used car from either of them.

[Elsie]

Like so many things having to do with Mormonism, the theology is bizarre, but they do mean well.

Good intentions will always be pleaded for any assumption of power.
The Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions.
There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern.
They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.”

-Daniel Webster

[Elsie]

Just amused at what gets people all excited.

And relatively obscure words must calm you down...

[LS]

Yeah, but I think several religions do "creepy" things, like the Hindus letting cattle run rampant, or Muslims with their excessive washing. Doesn't mean that I can, or should, ask them to stop, nor should they stop if they really believe it.

Personally, I think transubstantiation is creepy.

[MarkL]

If the Mormons are right, then they are doing the Jews a service. If the Jews are right, then the Mormons do the Jews no harm. If I am right, it doesn’t matter.

But if it were one of your relatives, you might just feel as if the memory of your loved one has been defiled, almost on par with defiling their grave.

This is a really offensive practice. Offensive to the surviving family members.

Mark

[SoothingDave]

Who is assuming power? Who is governing?

You seem to want to throw away others’ freedom of religion because it doesn’t agree with you.

Sad.

Mormons pretending to baptize dead people does no harm to anyone. I defend their right to do so. I think it’s farcical, but they have the right to practice as they see fit.

[SoothingDave]

Technically speaking, neither does digging up my ancestors' bones, using them in bizarre satanic rituals, and then peeing on them to extinguish the flames

Disturbing a grave is a crime.

Do you wish to make pretending to baptize someone a crime as well?

Otherwise, there is a difference between physically disturbing someone's remains and merely using their name in an empty ceremony.

[heartwood]

The Mormons have baptized some of my ancestors. It’s their money, and their time, and I don’t think it had any effect at all on my g’g’g’g’grand-mas. If it did have some effect, I doubt very much God would permit them to be dragged kicking and screaming into Mormon heaven against their will - that’s the choice.

Of course to Jews, the Christian heresy and its Mormon off-shoot seem to be far more offensive than the Mormon heresy is to Christians.

[MarkL]

Creepy is in the eye of the beholder. Should I stop drinking my Savior’s blood because someone finds it “creepy” and asks me to stop?

Who's asked you to stop? I mean, to a Jew like me, it's just sort of silly, not so much "creepy," but then it has no bearing on me or the memories of my loved ones. So knock yourself out and continue drinking your "Savior's blood."

If you were to say bad things about my grandparents though, I might get offended. How about you? Would you be upset by people who sully the memories of the people you loved?

Mark

[SoothingDave]

But if it were one of your relatives, you might just feel as if the memory of your loved one has been defiled, almost on par with defiling their grave. This is a really offensive practice. Offensive to the surviving family members.

Does your right not to be offended take precedent over their right to practice their religion?

I say "no." One thing we do not need to empower is the general sense that anything that offends must be wiped out.

[Zakeet]

There is a difference between physically disturbing someone's remains and merely using their name in an empty ceremony.

Personally, I would far rather have my remains disinterred and scattered to the wind than have my name used in an evil, wicked, bizarre, satanic ritual ... and every one of my departed relatives that I had the pleasure of knowing felt exactly the same way.

Of course, I am fortunate enough to be descended from a line of staunch Christians ...

[MarkL]

Do you believe Mormons have some kind of magic power to affect your dead relatives' souls?

No, of course not, but that doesn't stop it from being REALLY OFFENSIVE!!!!

For instance, let's say you've got a deceased relative... You know that the person you loved isn't in the grave, I'm assuming you believe that person is somewhere better. So what's in the ground isn't really that person... Would you be offended if someone peed on the grave? I mean, it's just a little spot ground. And the person you loved isn't actually there, right? It's not like a little urine would hurt the person you loved...

Mark

P.S I'll apologize now for being purposely offensive with this post. That's what I was going for.